Shadowers + Boss = Happy?

Hurrr frickin' durr. Why are you even bothering?

Everything in his eyes is only made to benefit Night Lords because that's how he sees this game. No matter what it is, he'll A) Resort to spewing Night Lords OWN DIS GAME crap or B) Blame Nexon, for something, somehow.

If you'd actually look at this game you'd see there's diversity for a reason. Not all classes are going to be damaging classes. Not all classes are going to do as much damage as Night Lords. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? Shadowers acting as Sed bait and mobbers during the HT run are benefiting THE ENTIRE GROUP. THE ENTIRE RUN. EVERYONE.

Gosh dang, this game isn't about sucking NL cock, as much as Devil wants to think so. It's about the different characters enjoying their class for what it is and working together as best they can, when they can. It's douches who fail to see that that make this game worse for everyone.

Just attempting to defend someone, because oh my, insults are flying at him faster than Triple Throw with Speed Infusion. Even if he is biased.

Not like my point was a very good point, though.

This thread = a pomegranate fest.

Lets complain about pros and cons of classes and make a judgement that ClassA is better then ClassB, like always!

Happy - Shadower = Boss o_o

This man speaks truth. Listen to him. He's one step closer to solve the ecuation.

Which doesn't even have an x, though...

DKs, NLs, and Bowmen don't have cooldowns though. It's only useful for Resurrection if you die... or if some other party component changes.

Its great for the SmokeScreen Mules XD

That's not a contradiction. If you really think all you need at Horntail is damage, go do a NL-only run. I'll watch and not give you SE.

Isn't SE all about damage too? :+)

CONGRATZ! You're a frickin' retard, as usual.

That's not a contradiction at all, if you'd bother to read it without your insanely stupid bias. Being Sed bait is a vastly important role in HT, and it's a role best played by Shadowers (and Warriors). Every character has different roles, all just as important to the overall battle.

That's what the gosh dang point of RPGs is.

Well at first you could start renaming Seduce BAITS to something less demeaning?

And yes, offcourse you could say that everyone has "it's role" in Boss battles, but that doesn't justify that NL's do 2x if not 3x the damage of a Shadower, it's just totally not proportional...

Also, with HTing Shadowers get 1% the EXP NL's do... how is that to game balance? Everyone knows, when you're a 4th jobber, this game is all about doing (the most?) damage. However, HTing and getting 100k exp as a reward at level 140~200, while NL's get -millions- is rather shi`tty don't you think?

Anyway, I think the topic starter got his answer already by now...

Also, with HTing Shadowers get 1% the EXP NL's do... how is that to game balance? Everyone knows, when you're a 4th jobber, this game is all about doing (the most?) damage. However, HTing and getting 100k exp as a reward at level 140~200, while NL's get -millions- is rather shi`tty don't you think?

Or you could kill the Skelemonsters for far more exp than that bit of exp HT gives. That was even dumber than the rest of your so called 'shadwr suc nl dum -.-' arguments. If NL's are so great in your eyes, go and make one or whatever other class you also seem superduper compared to Shadowers and stop whining, or just grow up and enjoy your own class for once. Boo bloody hoo.

Isn't SE all about damage too? :+)

Oh, but doesn't SE require you to have a class that is not a NL?

Fine. Or HB.

Well at first you could start renaming Seduce BAITS to something less demeaning?

And yes, offcourse you could say that everyone has "it's role" in Boss battles, but that doesn't justify that NL's do 2x if not 3x the damage of a Shadower, it's just totally not proportional...

Also, with HTing Shadowers get 1% the EXP NL's do... how is that to game balance? Everyone knows, when you're a 4th jobber, this game is all about doing (the most?) damage. However, HTing and getting 100k exp as a reward at level 140~200, while NL's get -millions- is rather shi`tty don't you think?

Anyway, I think the topic starter got his answer already by now...

What the pineapple are you talking about?

1. NLs don't do anywhere near 3x the damage of Shadowers, unless you're comparing based on a NL with an Apple and a Shadower without. It's not even 2x. You maybe might have a NL doing 50% more damage.
2. The Shadower would only get 1% the EXP of a NL if it wasn't partied with a single attacker. Where the hell are you getting your facts? This game is not all about "doing the most damage." There's clearly no way to convince you that not being the top damage dealer at a boss means you're just a mule, though, so I'll leave it at that.

Or you could kill the Skelemonsters for far more exp than that bit of exp HT gives. That was even dumber than the rest of your so called 'shadwr suc nl dum -.-' arguments. If NL's are so great in your eyes, go and make one or whatever other class you also seem superduper compared to Shadowers and stop whining, or just grow up and enjoy your own class for once. Boo bloody hoo.

Stop the flaming please, it doesn't fit in this forum...

Oh, but doesn't SE require you to have a class that is not a NL?

Fine. Or HB.

Yes, but they're all still the helpers of that one class, the NL..., that's all I'm saying... they're nothing more then walking buffers...

What the pineapple are you talking about?

1. NLs don't do anywhere near 3x the damage of Shadowers, unless you're comparing based on a NL with an Apple and a Shadower without. It's not even 2x. You maybe might have a NL doing 50% more damage.
2. The Shadower would only get 1% the EXP of a NL if it wasn't partied with a single attacker. Where the hell are you getting your facts? This game is not all about "doing the most damage." There's clearly no way to convince you that not being the top damage dealer at a boss means you're just a mule, though, so I'll leave it at that.

1. Ever imagined how a Shadower would attack at something like HT?
- Bstep+Sblow combo? Forget it, doesn't work, there is not platform.
- Assassinate with 4th hit? Forget it, it doesn't work, 4th hit doesn't come out (edge of platform) and if it comes out (on the ground) you just killed yourself.
- Assassinate with SE? Forget it, first 3 hits never do criticals, not even with SE (bug). Sblow + SE outdamages that btw... (2nd job vs 4th job...2nd job wins...-.-)
- All that remains is Savage Blow spamming (2nd job FTW!) and Assassinate spamming with only the first 3 hits...

But ok, since you don't believe me, Shadower vs NL HT platform attack Scenario's:
- Savage Blow (with SE + Onyx) = 67.907% - 39.6% damage of TT+SE+Onyx
- Assassinate (with SE + Onyx) = 60.969% - 35.5% damage of TT+SE+Onyx
- Triple Throw (with SE + Onyx) = 171.535% - 100%

Nice balanced gameplay my ass...

2. Since when does a Seduce party have attackers in it? You can't risk any of the Seducers to die while trying to attack HT, that compromises HT runs severely...

Yes, but they're all still the helpers of that one class, the NL..., that's all I'm saying... they're nothing more then walking buffers...

And I'm sure HT runs would be just as successful if only the NLs attacked and everyone else just hugged a wall and cast buffs.

Well, I don't pretend to know much about HT, so you may be right on the damage thing. But please cut out your damage comparisons. They're never accurate, and no one takes them seriously.

The question wasn't if Shadowers were good attackers at bosses, its if they'd be wanted, and it pretty much breaks down like this;

HT- You'll be a seduce mule, so you'll be wanted, but your attacking damage certainly wont be the highest in the group.

Zakum- Hes taken down with such ease nowadays, that most any class can get into Zak runs, hes pretty easy compared to how he used to be viewed, will you be wanted? Not per se. But if you look, its easy enough to get into zak runs

Pap- You can solo this mofo easily with an apple or 2 once your skills are decent levels, pap is cake, also he drops Bstep 30 (not that you'll ever actually see it drop, but he does)

Pianus- Another easy solo, time your Bstep right here and you can solo this guy without getting hit

Bigfoot/Anego- Unless you've HP washed, its not going to happen, they're both Paladin/NL/BM bosses

every other boss- in GMS, you can solo everything else with ease pretty much.

If what Devil said about the pink bean's 1hko skill is true, then we'll be wanted there similarly to HT, not for damage but for our skills.

The question wasn't if Shadowers were good attackers at bosses, its if they'd be wanted, and it pretty much breaks down like this;

HT- You'll be a seduce mule, so you'll be wanted, but your attacking damage certainly wont be the highest in the group.

Zakum- Hes taken down with such ease nowadays, that most any class can get into Zak runs, hes pretty easy compared to how he used to be viewed, will you be wanted? Not per se. But if you look, its easy enough to get into zak runs

Pap- You can solo this mofo easily with an apple or 2 once your skills are decent levels, pap is cake, also he drops Bstep 30 (not that you'll ever actually see it drop, but he does)

Pianus- Another easy solo, time your Bstep right here and you can solo this guy without getting hit

Bigfoot/Anego- Unless you've HP washed, its not going to happen, they're both Paladin/NL/BM bosses

every other boss- in GMS, you can solo everything else with ease pretty much.

If what Devil said about the pink bean's 1hko skill is true, then we'll be wanted there similarly to HT, not for damage but for our skills.

You can solo bf/anego. Bigfoot really doesn't take too long to kill either, but Anego will take you all day...

You can solo bf/anego. Bigfoot really doesn't take too long to kill either, but Anego will take you all day...

Whats your BF method? I tried Bstep running and assassinate>darksight macros but its just too slow.

Whats your BF method? I tried Bstep running and assassinate>darksight macros but its just too slow.

I soloed Bigfoot at level 128. Combination of Bstep running and Meso Explosion.

I soloed Bigfoot at level 128. Combination of Bstep running and Meso Explosion.

Dude, Meso Explosion doesn't count . You can pretty much solo almost every boss with only Meso Explosion.

only if boomerang step was spamable... just only......

Stop the flaming please, it doesn't fit in this forum...

Oh but Shirley, if you took offense from that it must be time to finally leave that monastery you've been holed up in all your life and go out and experience the joy and naughties of the real world surely. Just skip away Shirley, just skip.

Yes, but they're all still the helpers of that one class, the NL..., that's all I'm saying... they're nothing more then walking buffers...

By that logic you could just go saying every class is an aid for Shadowers playing Seduce baits at Hornytail, and vice versa. Any run needs a bait just as bad as any other class that is taken erguarly, it's possible to use either a Palalaladin or a Hero but nothing can top a Shadower due to Fake Avoid and Dark Sight. Runs without Baits will most surely fail, as runs without the main attackers such as Nig Lords and Bowmasters and lolmarksmen. You can crunch numbers all day, but simple facts still stand.

1. Ever imagined how a Shadower would attack at something like HT? blahblahblah after this

Maybe you should go out and experience a few actual runs for once, or get a different group. I've done enough of them to see the backup Sed bait or even just a normal attacking Shadower do fine without moaning all the time. Just because you wont outdamage a few other classes doesn't mean you're a cripple donkey from Peru. Not to mention the amount of gear and level differences there can be coming into play, but that's not good enough for you of course. You have to be the extreme number one or you won't be happy.

2. Since when does a Seduce party have attackers in it? You can't risk any of the Seducers to die while trying to attack HT, that compromises HT runs severely...

Since uhm, ever? Only one person hangs on the rope at any given time, if he dies number two jumps on. Seeing as you'll generally always have a backup and DrK and possibly someone else, depending on two of three Bishops (lolthree). What would you expect them to do then, stand around looking pretty. They can attack virtually anything that's on the left, legs, wings, left arm, heads. It's only not smart to go to the left and be there without a bishop incase right arm starts seducing more than one.

And why the devil did you get a Shadower to 14x if they're so awful then? Buffoon.

What do you guys mean by Seduce Mules?

What do you guys mean by Seduce Mules?

High survivability, high chance of not being KB'd by attacks.

Stance is a 90% chance of no KB. Dark Sight is ok too and Fake adds 40%(?) chance for the attacks to miss. So Shadower and Hero/Paladin/DK are good for it. (highest HP)

If you go on a rope, when you get seduced, it won't make you run left/right until it knocks you off the rope, so you're safer against touching the tail. Also why people don't put Haste in that party, if you run slowly it's easier for the Priests to keep up and heal you.


Seduce:
- cannot use pots
- cannot use skills
- character moves/jumps independent (what it specifically does depends on the boss casting it, HT just makes you run around, I think Pink Bean's statues make you jump up and down)

High survivability, high chance of not being KB'd by attacks.

Stance is a 90% chance of no KB. Dark Sight is ok too and Fake adds 40%(?) chance for the attacks to miss. So Shadower and Hero/Paladin/DK are good for it. (highest HP)

If you go on a rope, when you get seduced, it won't make you run left/right until it knocks you off the rope, so you're safer against touching the tail. Also why people don't put Haste in that party, if you run slowly it's easier for the Priests to keep up and heal you.


Seduce:
- cannot use pots
- cannot use skills
- character moves/jumps independent (what it specifically does depends on the boss casting it, HT just makes you run around, I think Pink Bean's statues make you jump up and down)

Don't forget Meso Gaurd!! While other classes get 1/1'd. shadowers only get half hp/1, which contributes to a higher survival rate over most warriors that lag lol..

Don't forget Meso Gaurd!! While other classes get 1/1'd. shadowers only get half hp/1, which contributes to a higher survival rate over most warriors that lag lol..

Meso Guard can get dispelled, though. Warrior's HP can't.