KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps
Arrol Wrote:That and/or they want to get the most money out of the biggest bandwagon.
That doesn't even begin to make sense.

kruimel0 Wrote:You forgot to factor in things like... looks,... , playing style, alchemy-like things, story line and other things.
Nor does this.

kruimel0 Wrote:It's not about DPM only.

You can't only revamp them to the same DPM, as then they would still be unbalanced in other things.
SaptaZapta Wrote:Joe's calculations assume targets stay conveniently in range, and (in the case of mobbing) are instantly replaced when dead.
In practical training scenarios, you spend at least some of your time chasing and grouping targets. If you can do that quickly and efficiently, your total DPM - and hence exp/min - go up. If you are short range, walk slow and can't push or pull - like 3rd job warriors - you are at a big disadvantage compared to another job with the same theoretical DPM but more speed, range, or kb moves.
In bossing scenarios, the ability to avoid getting knocked back or down when hit (either through avoiding getting hit or through a stance effect keeping you in place even when hit) again affects your DPM. If you have to spend half your zrun getting back to a platform from which you can hit the top arms... yeah.

Balance isn't just about adding up skill %'s and making them all come out the same.
I guess people are just going to say obvious things all day?

I'm very much aware that theoretical DPM isn't all that matters. That's a no-brainer.
In fact, to act as if I said everyone's should be equal is as presumptuous as it is wrong.
My point is that they should be using those DPM charts to properly gauge where a class could use adjustment when compared to other classes of the same type (either in their DPM directly or through other special skills).
They clearly haven't been doing this.

For example, look at JoeTang's comparison of the three Adventure Warriors after this patch.
As a Paladin, the fact that I basically can't die makes me fairly comfortable with my DPM compared to the other two. I consider that to be an example of them actually doing something right.
But what about a Dark Knight?
Does having the ability to give party members extra HP make up for the fact that a Hero will out-damage him in basically every scenario?

I mean, Dark Knights can't really survive better than Heroes nor can they move faster nor can they stand in place better nor do they have a constant range advantage.
There are examples of this sort of thing everywhere, and one of them (Demonslayers) has already been mentioned.
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Fiel - 2011-11-10, 02:51 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by shakar96 - 2011-11-10, 02:56 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Aggravate - 2011-11-10, 03:01 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Manu - 2011-11-10, 03:05 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Eliseo - 2011-11-10, 03:07 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by street - 2011-11-10, 03:07 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Dark Zero - 2011-11-10, 03:10 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Viaje - 2011-11-10, 03:11 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by shakar96 - 2011-11-10, 03:12 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Dark Zero - 2011-11-10, 03:13 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by L2X - 2011-11-10, 03:30 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Exidous - 2011-11-10, 03:31 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Thorr - 2011-11-10, 03:35 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by hamad138 - 2011-11-10, 03:36 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Viaje - 2011-11-10, 03:52 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Viaje - 2011-11-10, 03:58 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Aircalibur - 2011-11-10, 04:05 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Dudewitbow - 2011-11-10, 04:08 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Abysseon - 2011-11-10, 04:09 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by IImaplers - 2011-11-10, 04:11 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by shakar96 - 2011-11-10, 04:15 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Dark Link - 2011-11-10, 04:16 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Bribery - 2011-11-10, 04:19 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Baklava - 2011-11-10, 04:24 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Viaje - 2011-11-10, 04:32 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by IImaplers - 2011-11-10, 04:42 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Dark Link - 2011-11-10, 04:46 PM
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Viaje - 2011-11-10, 08:35 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by valhala556 - 2011-11-10, 10:04 PM
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Luxeraph - 2011-11-10, 11:28 PM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by JoeTang - 2011-11-10, 11:32 PM
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Luxeraph - 2011-11-11, 04:34 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Baklava - 2011-11-11, 06:37 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Razmos - 2011-11-11, 09:25 AM
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Takebacker - 2011-11-11, 11:09 AM
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Abysseon - 2011-11-11, 11:29 AM
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Dark Link - 2011-11-11, 07:48 PM
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Dark Zero - 2011-11-11, 11:28 PM
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KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Arrol - 2011-11-12, 12:12 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by shakar96 - 2011-11-12, 12:28 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Arrol - 2011-11-12, 01:01 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Viaje - 2011-11-12, 01:05 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Arrol - 2011-11-12, 01:17 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by JoeTang - 2011-11-12, 02:00 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by Arrol - 2011-11-12, 02:21 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by kruimel0 - 2011-11-12, 09:35 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by valhala556 - 2011-11-12, 11:10 AM
KMST 1.2.408 - More skill revamps - by SaptaZapta - 2011-11-12, 11:34 AM
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