Adam and Eve and the Apple

This video I saw around a week or 2 ago that I think sums up the big arguments of why people are athiest.
[video=youtube;h1ImMtHrrKo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ImMtHrrKo[/video]

Yes she has huge boobs but she makes great points

This video I saw around a week or 2 ago that I think sums up the big arguments of why people are athiest.
[video=youtube;h1ImMtHrrKo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ImMtHrrKo[/video]

Yes she has huge boobs but she makes great points

agree on the first, not the second.

See: the inevitable corruption that comes from power.

See: over generalization.

See: secular morality.

See: history.

See: godwin's law.

[video=youtube;qixXRkCNrtE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qixXRkCNrtE[/video]

It's really long, but quite a nice monologue (it has 13 parts).

agree on the first, not the second.

See: the inevitable corruption that comes from power.

See: over generalization.

See: secular morality.

See: history.

See: godwin's law.

Tits or it din't happen.

This video I saw around a week or 2 ago that I think sums up the big arguments of why people are athiest.
[video=youtube;h1ImMtHrrKo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ImMtHrrKo[/video]

Yes she has huge boobs but she makes great points

Well, so much for not starting a Theist VS Atheist thread.

This video I saw around a week or 2 ago that I think sums up the big arguments of why people are athiest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ImMtHrrKo

Yes she has huge boobs but she makes great points

It doesn't sum up any arguments of why people are athiest.

As for the points she makes, they're riddled with fallacies, generalizations, and simplifications.

And I can't take her seriously with that annoying inflection she has in every statement.

http://xkcd.com/774/

It doesn't sum up any arguments of why people are athiest.

As for the points she makes, they're riddled with fallacies, generalizations, and simplifications.

And I can't take her seriously with that annoying inflection she has in every statement.

http://xkcd.com/774/

Ohhhh come on, she's sooooo convincing.

*lower lip quiver*

Atheists are actually comical to me being a non-religious Christian Spiritualist.

In all rank and form pushing any belief on anyone is wrong, but so is pushing the fact of non-belief. Most wars from Dark Ages time frames and back were based on religious aspects of a religion driven society in which the church was the absolute authority. Try actually finding a government like that today where people of some belief system force their will on others... oh wait you can. Any Muslim nation as well as most Communist/Totalitarian countries as well force citizens into a system where you have to be either Islamic faith, Athiest, or some other religion to have a standing in anything government, business, etc. Here in America this is not a reality any more and hasn't been for well over 50 years since the civil rights movement as well as the 1980s when Madeline O'Hare finally forced her hand into the separation of church and state statutes. No wars since the Enlightenment era of history have truly been fought religiously. The only war that actually was to stop a religious qwelling was World War II in which millions of Jews were being slaughtered in the name of a occultist religion Hitler and the Nazi's based their beliefs on.

Atheists in America are doing the opposite of their actual goals which is actually an attempt at forcing people into a society of secularism and atheism.

If Atheists actually want to fight a religion, please by all means go to Islamic countries and work your magic there. They need you're views of separation of Church and State more than any one else. Afterwards go after China, North Korea, and others like them for pushing your non-belief beliefs onto others as well.

However, to all Atheists, do by all means stop pushing your non-belief beliefs onto others as well. You say you hate it when people push religion onto you, well people also hate it when people push non-religion onto them as well.

Atheists are actually comical to me being a non-religious Christian Spiritualist.

In all rank and form pushing any belief on anyone is wrong, but so is pushing the fact of non-belief. Most wars from Dark Ages time frames and back were based on religious aspects of a religion driven society in which the church was the absolute authority. Try actually finding a government like that today where people of some belief system force their will on others... oh wait you can. Any Muslim nation as well as most Communist/Totalitarian countries as well force citizens into a system where you have to be either Islamic faith, Athiest, or some other religion to have a standing in anything government, business, etc. Here in America this is not a reality any more and hasn't been for well over 50 years since the civil rights movement as well as the 1980s when Madeline O'Hare finally forced her hand into the separation of church and state statutes. No wars since the Enlightenment era of history have truly been fought religiously. The only war that actually was to stop a religious qwelling was World War II in which millions of Jews were being slaughtered in the name of a occultist religion Hitler and the Nazi's based their beliefs on.

Atheists in America are doing the opposite of their actual goals which is actually an attempt at forcing people into a society of secularism and atheism.

If Atheists actually want to fight a religion, please by all means go to Islamic countries and work your magic there. They need you're views of separation of Church and State more than any one else. Afterwards go after China, North Korea, and others like them for pushing your non-belief beliefs onto others as well.

However, to all Atheists, do by all means stop pushing your non-belief beliefs onto others as well. You say you hate it when people push religion onto you, well people also hate it when people push non-religion onto them as well.

tl;dr

Is this as anti-islamic as skimming it made it seem?

Also, the way you describe yourself in a religious context is ludacris.

Atheists are actually comical to me being a non-religious Christian Spiritualist.

In all rank and form pushing any belief on anyone is wrong, but so is pushing the fact of non-belief. Most wars from Dark Ages time frames and back were based on religious aspects of a religion driven society in which the church was the absolute authority. Try actually finding a government like that today where people of some belief system force their will on others... oh wait you can. Any Muslim nation as well as most Communist/Totalitarian countries as well force citizens into a system where you have to be either Islamic faith, Athiest, or some other religion to have a standing in anything government, business, etc. Here in America this is not a reality any more and hasn't been for well over 50 years since the civil rights movement as well as the 1980s when Madeline O'Hare finally forced her hand into the separation of church and state statutes. No wars since the Enlightenment era of history have truly been fought religiously. The only war that actually was to stop a religious qwelling was World War II in which millions of Jews were being slaughtered in the name of a occultist religion Hitler and the Nazi's based their beliefs on.

Atheists in America are doing the opposite of their actual goals which is actually an attempt at forcing people into a society of secularism and atheism.

If Atheists actually want to fight a religion, please by all means go to Islamic countries and work your magic there. They need you're views of separation of Church and State more than any one else. Afterwards go after China, North Korea, and others like them for pushing your non-belief beliefs onto others as well.

However, to all Atheists, do by all means stop pushing your non-belief beliefs onto others as well. You say you hate it when people push religion onto you, well people also hate it when people push non-religion onto them as well.

you'll have to explain that "non-religious Christian spiritualist" one to me.

The way I see it any gnostic belief is a dangerous one, there is no way to be sure of an existence in a deity or lack thereof. As well an afterlife is unsure, whether it be a relocation of the soul to dwell with others, the reincarnation of the soul in another body (human or otherwise), or just a dreamless eternal rest.

you'll have to explain that "non-religious Christian spiritualist" one to me.

The way I see it any gnostic belief is a dangerous one, there is no way to be sure of an existence in a deity or lack thereof. As well an afterlife is unsure, whether it be a relocation of the soul to dwell with others, the reincarnation of the soul in another body (human or otherwise), or just a dreamless eternal rest.

Showdown prediction. It'll happen. I'm calling you out for unspecified reasons at an unspecified place at an unspecified time, caution. Maybe we've already clashed before IRL maybe fate has some epic plans for us. But the way that our conclusions and observations coincide is just uncanny. It. Will. Happen.

you'll have to explain that "non-religious Christian spiritualist" one to me.

Religion is the ritual and ceremony associated with a particular spirituality, in this context.
People who claim to be non-religious but spiritual generally mean they believe the same basic concepts and precepts but do not feel any need to go through the motions of "proving" their beliefs by attending church, participating in rites & ceremonies, etc.

However, to all Atheists, do by all means stop pushing your non-belief beliefs onto others as well. You say you hate it when people push religion onto you, well people also hate it when people push non-religion onto them as well.

This is a sweeping generalization that may true of the self-professed atheists in your own life but doesn't necessarily reflect the majority. I've had far more Christians and Christian-variants attempt to convert me than I've ever had atheists. Most atheists I know won't even touch the subject because they consider it a personal choice and hate when people try to convert them so they're not going to open the door to it by trying to convert others.

Most wars from Dark Ages time frames and back were based on religious aspects of a religion driven society in which the church was the absolute authority. Try actually finding a government like that today where people of some belief system force their will on others... oh wait you can. Any Muslim nation as well as most Communist/Totalitarian countries as well force citizens into a system where you have to be either Islamic faith, Athiest, or some other religion to have a standing in anything government, business, etc. Here in America this is not a reality any more and hasn't been for well over 50 years since the civil rights movement as well as the 1980s when Madeline O'Hare finally forced her hand into the separation of church and state statutes. No wars since the Enlightenment era of history have truly been fought religiously. The only war that actually was to stop a religious qwelling was World War II in which millions of Jews were being slaughtered in the name of a occultist religion Hitler and the Nazi's based their beliefs on.

I have bolded some historical issues that are kind of iffy. Firsty no war in human history, yes that is correct, non, have been fought purely based on religion. Religion often plays a part, but more often than not function as a justification for achiveving political goals and/or to grasp power. Oh, and that about WWII and the nazis, please do not enter any discussion with someone claiming any of those things. I am a teacher in both history and religion if you wonder why I correct you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

The wiki says there have been plenty of religious wars
Now... when you say PURELY based on religion. I'm guessing you mean a war fought 100% on "I don't like your religion so I'm going to slaughter thousands of your people". Maybe there wasn't a war fought JUST on that and no other reason whatsoever. I can't say for sure since I haven't researched into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

The wiki says there have been plenty of religious wars
Now... when you say PURELY based on religion. I'm guessing you mean a war fought 100% on "I don't like your religion so I'm going to slaughter thousands of your people". Maybe there wasn't a war fought JUST on that and no other reason whatsoever. I can't say for sure since I haven't researched into it.

Yes of course wars have been fought over religion, at least in the minds of the public, because the common soldier in the crusades had no friggin idea that the pope played them for more than pious reasons. Historians have done alot of research on this of course, and show the reasons behind the wars more often than not had little to do practically with converting the masses or some such. What I am trying to say is that religion always seems to be the front of those wars, though digging deeper it shows that there are so much more to it. Some of the crusads for example was proclaimed by popes that had to do something to stay in power because europeam monarchs was about to refuse the pope supremacy. Also, how many educated people think that USA act the way they do in foreign countries just to uphold democracy? Doing it under the cold war was to keep USSR from gaining an edge, doing it now seems to be about oil/resources and political leverage. Though it is all about the perspective you have when you look at it I suppose. You can argue about reasons for war, but if you are going to go against the general historian consensus, better not include stuff that has no base in reality at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

The wiki says there have been plenty of religious wars
Now... when you say PURELY based on religion. I'm guessing you mean a war fought 100% on "I don't like your religion so I'm going to slaughter thousands of your people". Maybe there wasn't a war fought JUST on that and no other reason whatsoever. I can't say for sure since I haven't researched into it.

Crusades. Some christians decided "Hey, let's slaughter people without bibles"

There are plenty more.

Crusades. Some christians decided "Hey, let's slaughter people without bibles"

Ignorance at its finest.

Catholics had issue with the fact that the Turks were invading the Holy Land. It's as territorial as the dispute between Muslims and Jews in the middle east today. Perhaps they did wantonly slaughter people who did not choose the correct answer in "believe or die", but that certainly wasn't the aim of the crusades and is more a problem of religious extremism in war than the justification for the crusades itself.

Yes of course wars have been fought over religion, at least in the minds of the public, because the common soldier in the crusades had no friggin idea that the pope played them for more than pious reasons. Historians have done alot of research on this of course, and show the reasons behind the wars more often than not had little to do practically with converting the masses or some such. What I am trying to say is that religion always seems to be the front of those wars, though digging deeper it shows that there are so much more to it. Some of the crusads for example was proclaimed by popes that had to do something to stay in power because europeam monarchs was about to refuse the pope supremacy. Also, how many educated people think that USA act the way they do in foreign countries just to uphold democracy? Doing it under the cold war was to keep USSR from gaining an edge, doing it now seems to be about oil/resources and political leverage. Though it is all about the perspective you have when you look at it I suppose. You can argue about reasons for war, but if you are going to go against the general historian consensus, better not include stuff that has no base in reality at all.

Careful crow. Someone is going to learn something.

Yes of course wars have been fought over religion, at least in the minds of the public, because the common soldier in the crusades had no friggin idea that the pope played them for more than pious reasons. Historians have done alot of research on this of course, and show the reasons behind the wars more often than not had little to do practically with converting the masses or some such. What I am trying to say is that religion always seems to be the front of those wars, though digging deeper it shows that there are so much more to it. Some of the crusads for example was proclaimed by popes that had to do something to stay in power because europeam monarchs was about to refuse the pope supremacy. Also, how many educated people think that USA act the way they do in foreign countries just to uphold democracy? Doing it under the cold war was to keep USSR from gaining an edge, doing it now seems to be about oil/resources and political leverage. Though it is all about the perspective you have when you look at it I suppose. You can argue about reasons for war, but if you are going to go against the general historian consensus, better not include stuff that has no base in reality at all.

Makes sense.
Religion may not be the only definitive reason for a war, but it's pretty obvious that it plays a huge part in a lot of wars.

Showdown prediction. It'll happen. I'm calling you out for unspecified reasons at an unspecified place at an unspecified time, caution. Maybe we've already clashed before IRL maybe fate has some epic plans for us. But the way that our conclusions and observations coincide is just uncanny. It. Will. Happen.

haha, maybe

Religion is the ritual and ceremony associated with a particular spirituality, in this context.
People who claim to be non-religious but spiritual generally mean they believe the same basic concepts and precepts but do not feel any need to go through the motions of "proving" their beliefs by attending church, participating in rites & ceremonies, etc.

Thanks for splitting the words up and giving me dictionary definitions. I was actually looking for the specific person who had said it beliefs and practices, not arguing semantics with you. Religion. Non-religious Christian. Spiritual. Proving...

GOD IS DEAD, GOD IS DEAD, WE HAVE KILLED HIM, GOD IS DEAD.