Your thoughts on Evan class

No, I actually love the Magician class. However, Mages don't have any end-game content to look forward to. Evans aren't that useful either, except maybe at Pink Bean. I'm just mad at how half-assed Evans are after seeing Dual Blades and Arans. I was really looking forward to what Nexon had in store for the Mage hero. They gave us a regular Magician with a Dragon that is no different from a CS item.

As for Dual Blader's HP, it isn't as bad as it was initially in KMST. Their HP is similar to Buccaneers and Arans, and they have very good invincibility frames.

If this is true ill definitely make one of those O_O.

If this is true ill definitely make one of those O_O.

-lets ruin every1's hopes and dreams-

DUAL BLADERS HAVE THE SAME LOL LOW HP AS THIEFS UNLESS U HP WASH

seriously guys stop making assumptions off a screenshot, a lvl2x dual blader has 700+ hp, because they get an mp/hp boost at the lvl20 job advancement, however they get no boost at any other advancements and their hp gain is as low as other thiefs

HAI GAIZ LETS TRANSFOR THIS THREAD INTO A FLAME THE OTHER CLASS THREAD =D

no really, this thread is about discussing the EVAN class, not flame other classes or discuss about other classes

Which is rather pointless, unless someone comes in here who has actually played Evan. And tubevids are pointless as well, since they can be misleading and don't cover the situation as it will be in GMS.

Let's wait till they are here and thén discuss them.

Which is rather pointless, unless someone comes in here who has actually played Evan. And tubevids are pointless as well, since they can be misleading and don't cover the situation as it will be in GMS.

Let's wait till they are here and thén discuss them.

Well, this thread is about your thoughts. And I think everyone has stated what they think, and therefore this thread should be closed.

When evan is out for 1 week, we can remake this thread

-lets ruin every1's hopes and dreams-

DUAL BLADERS HAVE THE SAME LOL LOW HP AS THIEFS UNLESS U HP WASH

seriously guys stop making assumptions off a screenshot, a lvl2x dual blader has 700+ hp, because they get an mp/hp boost at the lvl20 job advancement, however they get no boost at any other advancements and their hp gain is as low as other thiefs

I was under the impression we weren't making the same assumptions based off of one screenshot.

Lol you are mad.

What I meant, is that I want to feel that I achieved something that not so much ppl could do, like getting a cleric to lv 70 in the old days, that was PAIN

Now tell me what would make you feel better?

Run 10 Kilometers with a shoe that makes you go as fast as a car without making you feel tired
or
Run 5 Kilometers normaly

The argument still stands you can run 10 Kilometers with a limp, and that's a better accomplishment than running 5 kilometers normally. Therefore, creating a permanent beginner is better than an Evan.

Goddamm, put your entire argument into one post, not parts of it into the quote where I confuse it with the bolded stuff.

Dude. The dragon is new. There is no other goddamm thing in the game which attacks for you when you press a button. Shadow Partner just copies your moves. And comparing it to Cash Shop weapons? You realize it takes a bit to realize the range limit of the dragon, as it attacks from behind you? That's what Hazzy was complaining about. On Cash shop weapons, just put it on, and BOOM, you're used to it. Even if you guys insist that the dragon isn't new, then who would I frigging care? Does every new class need to add something new to the game? No. Jesus Christ, I don't get why I have to argue with everyone about this.

Yes there is, it's called the ''my buddy DJ'' cash shop weapon, and the other ''friend'' cash shop items. Or the animal cash shop items, it's the SAME thing, the dragon can barely move away from the Evans path, and you're the one basically doing the attacking, that was my point. I don't know why you think this is unique, but it really doesn't feel unique to me. Trying to master an attack range on a mage class is also easy, well I guess that might be different for me since I use an AM, but I've never had any problems trying to master the range of my skills, and I seriously(I'll even challenge the fact) doubt that I would have trouble aiming with Evans attacks. Who's to say that the Evans attacks appear from behind it, and the dragon just covers up some empty portal that appears and spews out the attack? Well of course that's a stupid question, but I hope that helps you understand what I'm trying to say.

Dual Blade...I'm arguing that it didn't introduce something unique. Yes, I know it has overpowered damage. Yes, I know they have a lot of mobility. But so do another class....assassins. You could argue they have more damage, and more mobility, but that doesn't mean the concept is new. It just means that Nexon built on the idea.

This is what I was trying to say, so we're on terms here.

And Evan's Magic Resistance has no cooldown. It is god. It means less HP washing for some folks at Pink Bean, Horntail, and Zakum. And yes, everyone would rather have a bishop in their party than an Evan. Even I do. But that's their niche in the game. Support skills for everyone who doesn't want to waste money on Nexon. Plus, they do quite more damage than a Bishop on single monsters with no resistances or weaknesses.
But still, is it worth sacrificing a party member? First you need your DK, then you need a priest, then you need an archer for sharp eyes, then you need an attacker so the sharp eyes buff isn't wasted, ect.
Now to your actual post.

[B]But Evan can do better mob damage with flame wheel than AM's!

Where the pineapple did I, or anyone, say that? That made your entire first paragraph useless. AM's niche is to do godly mob damage. Evans suck compared to them against mobs, period.
I misread something you said, that's my fault, sorry about that.
Last, digging up dirt? Ptff. I'm just stating the facts.

The only thing that seems desirable for an Evan is magic resistance, and even then, it wouldn't be necessary for anything but pink bean(although it will most likely be the godliest lifesaver in neo tokyo if we ever get it), the rest of their skills, while unique(I agree with that), are only mediocre. Their niche is what makes them an overall useless class in the larger scale of maplestory. They have some support skills, but dont' excell in it. So a bishop will almost always overule them in that. They have more attack on single target mobs than mages, as well as the ability to reset their element, but that doesn't do much because attackers can easily out-damage them still. They can max all of their skills, but that doesn't do much if their skills lack in anything excelling. If killing wing works on bosses, then what I say is completely null and void, as this would obviously make Evans the most kickass class for bossing as we know it, they also could justify it working on a boss, because arans can apparantly freeze a boss with tempest so they should be able to inflict status effects on them.(the same goes with ghost lettering)

Onyx blessing is a good skill, but it only works for magic attack, for 60 seconds, and doesn't compare to an onyx apple(unless it stacks).


Evans just sound like they're ''decent'' in every single feat in maplestory, but as cool as this sounds on paper, in reality this is their biggest downfall. The only thing that makes the Evan worth playing would be their magical resistance skill, and that's IF you get lucky enough to manage a PB battle, and the only partys that aren't already good enough to beat pink bean without some sort of defense will obviously be a mediocre party themselves, and your chances of meeting inexperienced parties will be even higher.

So, Evans are fun, that's the best thing to them. They are mages that are incredibly exciting and fun, their attacks feel pretty new, they have such a large variety of attacks, but I could care less about the dragon, if anything I'd rather the dragon wasn't there and my character would just cast the spells himself, because the dragon doesn't even look that cool to me(but it's not bad).


Well in any case, any class can be argued to be ''useful'', but we'll see how ''useful'' Evan is when they're never invited to any HT runs or Zakum runs, and all the Evans will be doomed to the same life AM's are doomed to exist, I guarantee you it will end up this way.

I'm going to stop arguing with the top quote, since it's quite obvious we both disagree on Evan being equal to cash shop items or not. We're both repeating the same exact points.

Okay, I'll agree with you Magic Resistance is awesome. And about Elemental Reset: It's situational. Look at Scarlion. Lightning is not effective on it. I/L's are screwed....but okay, alright, there are not that many bosses that are strong against a either lightning/poison, which does render my argument kind of moot. Okay, while Evan do pathetic damage late game, in most other level ranges, they do very good damage, which appeals to slow levelers like me.

I think you're confusing Killing Wing with something else. Killing Wing does work on bosses, but it doesn't really inflict status effects. It It makes a homing effect.

I wonder how my bossing life would sound like, though.

Lol you are mad.

What I meant, is that I want to feel that I achieved something that not so much ppl could do, like getting a cleric to lv 70 in the old days, that was PAIN

Now tell me what would make you feel better?

Run 10 Kilometers with a shoe that makes you go as fast as a car without making you feel tired
or
Run 5 Kilometers normaly

Fail analogy is fail...I do not see your point at all

if my objective is to go 10 kilometers of course I would take the easy route, so will everyone else

Fail analogy is fail...I do not see your point at all

if my objective is to go 10 kilometers of course I would take the easy route, so will everyone else

But the point he is making is the sence of ACCOMPLISHMENT, not the actual task that is being performed. Training a cleric to 70 back then was like getting to 120 on a preist now: it was a lot harder back then, but you got a good feeling when people said "wow, you're a priest?!?" Now, people just say "wow, another bishop..."

But the point he is making is the sence of ACCOMPLISHMENT, not the actual task that is being performed. Training a cleric to 70 back then was like getting to 120 on a preist now: it was a lot harder back then, but you got a good feeling when people said "wow, you're a priest?!?" Now, people just say "wow, another bishop..."

He still refuses to make a high leveled perma beginner, though, which is a huge accomplishment.

He still refuses to make a high leveled perma beginner, though, which is a huge accomplishment.

agreed

I think this solarboy needs to think twice before he post next time so he can make himself look less like an idiot

He still refuses to make a high leveled perma beginner, though, which is a huge accomplishment.

haha, I dont have that much time to maple, I have top do other stuff you know?

agreed

I think this solarboy needs to think twice before he post next time so he can make himself look less like an idiot

excuse me? mr I cant say my own thoughts and I have to say what others think?

I have no interest in the class but I'm certainly leeching it to 100 for the glasses. Evan as a whole looks slow and dissapointing to me.

It still depresses me to this very day that people play this game for the feeling of ''accomplishment''. I play it for fun, I happen to find 4th jobs more fun than 2nd jobs. So I would rather take the quickest route to get there. Although some people find achieving that sense of accomplishment fun, others don't. Dual blade will be awesome, even if it does level every 2 minutes.
If I want a feeling of accomplishment, I'd do something far more productive than taking the slowest possible, masochistic route in a video game in order to level my pixel avatar.

I have nothing against people leeching their Evans, go do that if it makes you happy.

Dual Blades are WAYYY far away. They aren't even on the radar for content. Evans are the only mages that are able to boss; that's good enough for me. They are by far the best mage class in maplestory. And not by a little.

The only thing that seems desirable for an Evan is magic resistance, and even then, it wouldn't be necessary for anything but pink bean(although it will most likely be the godliest lifesaver in neo tokyo if we ever get it), the rest of their skills, while unique(I agree with that), are only mediocre. Their niche is what makes them an overall useless class in the larger scale of maplestory. They have some support skills, but dont' excell in it. So a bishop will almost always overule them in that. They have more attack on single target mobs than mages, as well as the ability to reset their element, but that doesn't do much because attackers can easily out-damage them still. They can max all of their skills, but that doesn't do much if their skills lack in anything excelling. If killing wing works on bosses, then what I say is completely null and void, as this would obviously make Evans the most kickass class for bossing as we know it, they also could justify it working on a boss, because arans can apparantly freeze a boss with tempest so they should be able to inflict status effects on them.(the same goes with ghost lettering)

Onyx blessing is a good skill, but it only works for magic attack, for 60 seconds, and doesn't compare to an onyx apple(unless it stacks).

How can you compare an ITEM with a SKILL?

Evans just sound like they're ''decent'' in every single feat in maplestory, but as cool as this sounds on paper, in reality this is their biggest downfall. The only thing that makes the Evan worth playing would be their magical resistance skill, and that's IF you get lucky enough to manage a PB battle, and the only partys that aren't already good enough to beat pink bean without some sort of defense will obviously be a mediocre party themselves, and your chances of meeting inexperienced parties will be even higher.

A mage at low 13x hitting a single mob for 90k isn't useful?

So, Evans are fun, that's the best thing to them. They are mages that are incredibly exciting and fun, their attacks feel pretty new, they have such a large variety of attacks, but I could care less about the dragon, if anything I'd rather the dragon wasn't there and my character would just cast the spells himself, because the dragon doesn't even look that cool to me(but it's not bad).


Well in any case, any class can be argued to be ''useful'', but we'll see how ''useful'' Evan is when they're never invited to any HT runs or Zakum runs, and all the Evans will be doomed to the same life AM's are doomed to exist, I guarantee you it will end up this way.

The only way this will happen if biased people like you are running the squads.

Also, evans have more and more frequent job advances. Their final one being at level 150, that would definitely help with motivation in late levels, on top of already leveling fairly fast.

Onyx blessing is a good skill, but it only works for magic attack, for 60 seconds, and doesn't compare to an onyx apple(unless it stacks).

You can't even compare a skill with an Onyx apple. If it was like that, any skill would be completely useless. The point is: Onyx blessing adds half an onyx apple, for free. While you would use 1 or 2m to get an apple.

Well in any case, any class can be argued to be ''useful'', but we'll see how ''useful'' Evan is when they're never invited to any HT runs or Zakum runs, and all the Evans will be doomed to the same life AM's are doomed to exist, I guarantee you it will end up this way.

Oh, having a skill that makes you deal more damage and does a lot of damage, critical, a free wheel of fortune buff with a cooldown of 5 minutes, invicible for your whole party, and a fog that heals 80% HP and MP when you stand on it isn't useful?
Also, a job that deals 80k at level 138 on a single monster is completely insane. It is a lot useful, and is the first bossing mage. It even outpasses DPM of some non mage classes. That are still invited to HT, so, why wouldn't it be invited?

It still depresses me to this very day that people play this game for the feeling of ''accomplishment''. I play it for fun, I happen to find 4th jobs more fun than 2nd jobs. So I would rather take the quickest route to get there. Although some people find achieving that sense of accomplishment fun, others don't. Dual blade will be awesome, even if it does level every 2 minutes.
If I want a feeling of accomplishment, I'd do something far more productive than taking the slowest possible, masochistic route in a video game in order to level my pixel avatar.

I have nothing against people leeching their Evans, go do that if it makes you happy.

The way you were posting earlier, you were not talking like you play for fun. You were treating evan like a bad business deal. How can something prove itself to have a far better role if it isn't even given a chance before it is even RELEASED? Evan isn't a waste of time, nor a slow leveler.

The way you were posting earlier, you were not talking like you play for fun. You were treating evan like a bad business deal. How can something prove itself to have a far better role if it isn't even given a chance before it is even RELEASED? Evan isn't a waste of time, nor a slow leveler.

I never said Evan was a slow leveler. I only said that he will fall short compared to every other class.

Of course I can't compare an onyx apple to skills, I am not talking about mobbing I am talking about Bossing, why use rage and enrage(hero) during a boss run when you can just use an onyx apple, and NOT have the buff dispelled and be FAR stronger?

Why play as an evan for mobbing when THE CHIEF OBLIVION GUARDIANS ARE ICE, LIGHTNING, AND POISON WEAK?. They have decent mobbing, but they will be overrun by mages.

THE ONLY SUPPORT SKILL THEY'LL REALLY BE NEEDED FOR(assumiing ghost lettering doesn't work on bosses, which I said. Is their magical resistance skill, and as I said, IF it is even a demanded skill, it's ONLY going to be demanded by lowly funded, inexperienced parties that can't withstand the proper amount of damage with PB, lowering your chance of success, since people can already successfully kill HT and Zakum, I seriously doubt they're going to want to waste their party space on a 20% magic reduction when they can get a priest to spam heal, negating the need to care about the damage as long as you survive, and can dispel you if you get seduced.

Also, here's another food for thought, how many Evans are going to be invited into boss runs with a giant dragon attached to it? Some parties have even banned me from not having an NX helm because my zakum helm was considered too potent for lag with it's special effects, what makes Evan any different?

That's why I said, evans only have the best mage gameplay. They're fun, but EVERY class can surpass them in terms of end-game abilities. With the exception of magic resistance, (and wheel of destiny, mind you it's a level 160+ skill), can you tell me something that Evans surpass ANY class at at end-game terms? Something that makes them desireable for bossing, or at least something that doesn't involve grinding till the end of level 200.

Evans mobbing:
Good, but AM's can mob better, Bishops can mob better at skelegons.
Evan loses.

Evan DPS:
Better in single target, better than mage on certain monsters, is adaptable since they can element reset, I/L am's beat them at chiefs, the current end-game monsters as far as I know. Any melee class can far outdamage them, because they're specifically MEANT for dps and they don't but a half assed effort into it.

Currently, though this could change, Evan loses here, but has more adaptability in lower levels.

Evan endurance:
Mages win in this regard, as their magic guard is more potent, although Evan would be more resistable during boss runs with magic resistance, they're still not going to be desired by too many people. Granted, there will be those ''friends'' that will invite Evan buddies into their runs, but that won't change the fact they'll only be able to bring up half of what another DPSER or bishop would be able to do.

Evan Training Speed:
Kicks major ass at lower levels, and is a decent speed at higher levels, doesn't compare to AM's though but they have a lot more of an enjoyable time playing Evan.

Evan diversity:
Evan wins here, they have the most unique skills in the game, and a near endless supply of attacks spells, but all mages have this(besides bishops. They just outgrow them constantly.


Evan= Flashy, cool, breath of fresh air, new, better at lower levels, doesn't just quite pack the punch at the end-game levels. Not that it matters though, maplestory is full of classes like that. To my previous quoter, that goes both ways, how can you instantly argue a class is useful without first checking it's abilities in actual boss battles? Of course Evan isn't a slow leveler, but they're not faster than AM's.

I argue on Endurance. Evans have a better Magic Guard, unless the AMs HP Wash. Harrisonized has a whole thread on Sleepywood about it.