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Your thoughts on Evan class
#41
Nightclaw Wrote:i know about evan/adventurer dragon mounts. They can only fly about a meter off of the ground, and their jump is only 120... why cant they actually FLY FLY!!! like go around the map with it..

also, what PQ lets you fly?

Because you would see the top of the map and it would make the game seem like a private server.
Also, dragon rider PQ lets you fly
[video=youtube;Ui0bT6nnjZQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui0bT6nnjZQ[/video]
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#42
shroum Wrote:Because you would see the top of the map and it would make the game seem like a private server.
Also, dragon rider PQ lets you fly
[video=youtube;Ui0bT6nnjZQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui0bT6nnjZQ[/video]

Yes, that PQ lets you fly, but aparenty its a normal skill that you activate o.o

Edit: You can find the Flying skill in the beginner book. And you can only fly in maps where it is allowed.
No, you cannot use it outside of the PQ. -spadow
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#43
solarboy Wrote:Yes, that PQ lets you fly, but aparenty its a normal skill that you activate o.o

Edit: You can find the Flying skill in the beginner book. And you can only fly in maps where it is allowed.
No, you cannot use it outside of the PQ. -spadow

but this certainly opens up a whole new spectrum of party quests.
ON TOPIC: What kind of equips should i be getting? also should I be luckless or normal?
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#44
shroum Wrote:but this certainly opens up a whole new spectrum of party quests.
ON TOPIC: What kind of equips should i be getting? also should I be luckless or normal?

How much $$ do you have?
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#45
ClawofBeta Wrote:How much $$ do you have?

78 mill.
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#46
Lukless first go low luk (depending on how much money you have left) to wear the level 120 Reverse Weapons.

Lukless your entire life if you plan on wearing only Elemental Weapons (the fire ones only), but keep in mind it decreases the damage of some skills, such as Ice Breath and Dark Fog (?).

I still suggest the first method as the fire staffs will skyrocket in price.
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#47
ClawofBeta Wrote:Lukless first go low luk (depending on how much money you have left) to wear the level 120 Reverse Weapons.

Lukless your entire life if you plan on wearing only Elemental Weapons (the fire ones only), but keep in mind it decreases the damage of some skills, such as Ice Breath and Dark Fog (?).

I still suggest the first method as the fire staffs will skyrocket in price.

whoa whoa this is talking level 100+
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#48
Weird how ppl was like "OMFG EVANS THEY ARE AWESOMEEEEEEE" and then they are "Evans sucks" "they are terrible" etc etc it doesnt matter if nexon makes a MAGE with higher dps than any warrior(if they ever do) , mage haters will always be always mage haters.

Evans are cool, and i still cant understand how is that they are weaker than an AM? is CL stronger than illusion? or flamewheel? (stronger not faster).
They dont bring anything new?, "new" SP system isnt anything new to the game? just the class is something different than the rest of the classes.
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#49
shroum Wrote:whoa whoa this is talking level 100+

Um, yeah. So? You're not planning to get that far?

Asumi Wrote:Weird how ppl was like "OMFG EVANS THEY ARE AWESOMEEEEEEE" and then they are "Evans sucks" "they are terrible" etc etc it doesnt matter if nexon makes a MAGE with higher dps than any warrior(if they ever do) , mage haters will always be always mage haters.

Evans are cool, and i still cant understand how is that they are weaker than an AM? is CL stronger than illusion? or flamewheel? (stronger not faster).
They dont bring anything new?, "new" SP system isnt anything new to the game? just the class is something different than the rest of the classes.

Evans have lower DPS than Arch Mages on (with Chain Lightning, Illusion, and Paralyze) single neutral monsters if you include summons. There is a thread somewhere proving this. You can't use Flamewheel as it's a multi mob skill.

Evans are cool.

And don't listen to those papayagots saying Evan didn't bring anything new. Who cares?

We get a goddamm dragon following you, plus we get a new SP system.

But the dragon isn't new. Look at pets and summons.

Yes it is.

But both the dragon and the new SP system don't affect gameplay that much.

Neither does Dual Blade.

But Dual Blade has intensive mobility!

So do a bunch of other classes.

Evans DO have extremely useful support skills, though. That's their niche in the game.
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#50
Asumi Wrote:Weird how ppl was like "OMFG EVANS THEY ARE AWESOMEEEEEEE" and then they are "Evans sucks" "they are terrible" etc etc it doesnt matter if nexon makes a MAGE with higher dps than any warrior(if they ever do) , mage haters will always be always mage haters.

Evans are cool, and i still cant understand how is that they are weaker than an AM? is CL stronger than illusion? or flamewheel? (stronger not faster).
They dont bring anything new?, "new" SP system isnt anything new to the game? just the class is something different than the rest of the classes.
I have one on KMS but quit because Its just not as fun on a korean game. Otherwise I LOVE EVAN and mages in general.
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#51
My thoughts on Evan can be summed up with Baklava's phavorite frase: Class sucks.
Slow, uncreative style of the class, weird to handle, nothing really new to Maple beyond butchered skill tables. :/
Same kind of attacks, except instead of an animation and effect, you swing, and a dragon behind you makes the animation. It has no AI, and doesn't move on its own. A simple repack would make it look NO different than normal mages.
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#52
Hazzy Wrote:My thoughts on Evan can be summed up with Baklava's phavorite frase: Class sucks.
Slow, uncreative style of the class, weird to handle, nothing really new to Maple beyond butchered skill tables. :/

1. Evan is not that slow anymore :f6:. They were slow before some balance updates.

2. What do you mean, weird to handle? A lot of things are weird to handle if they are new. But you get used to it.

3. They have a collection of the best support skills in the game. Magic Shield, Magic Resistance, Ghost Lettering (wait, does that affect the party, too?), Recovery Aura (well, that isn't that good) and the epic SOUL STONE.
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#53
ClawofBeta Wrote:1. Evan is not that slow anymore :f6:. They were slow before some balance updates.

2. What do you mean, weird to handle? A lot of things are weird to handle if they are new. But you get used to it.

3. They have a collection of the best support skills in the game. Magic Shield, Magic Resistance, Ghost Lettering (wait, does that affect the party, too?), Recovery Aura (well, that isn't that good) and the epic SOUL STONE.

Magical Resistance is the ONLY useful skill they have, and it's only needed at PB. Magic Shield can only be used half the time, Recovery Aura isn't useful, and Soul Stone is far too unreliable. Soul Stone is merely Wheel of Destiny that affects two RANDOM party members. The least they could have done is make it affect all 6 members.

Ghost Lettering would be very useful if it increases party damage, but I haven't seen any good videos of it in action.
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#54
Bribery Wrote:Magical Resistance is the ONLY useful skill they have, and it's only needed at PB. Magic Shield can only be used half the time, Recovery Aura isn't useful, and Soul Stone is far too unreliable. Soul Stone is merely Wheel of Destiny that affects two RANDOM party members. The least they could have done is make it affect all 6 members.

Ghost Lettering would be very useful if it increases party damage, but I haven't seen any good videos of it in action.

1. Yeah. Magic Resistance is good.

2. Yeah, Magic Shield can be only used half of the time. It is useful, though, when you can use it. It's not as bad as lolSmoke Shell with its long cooldown, though.

3. Recovery Aura just saves pots.

4. Ever thought of putting only 2 people in your party?

I'm hoping Ghost Lettering increases party damage.
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#55
ClawofBeta Wrote:4. Ever thought of putting only 2 people in your party?

This seems like a bad idea at bosses. Between HB and SE, there'd be no room for anyone else....
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#56
clawofbeta Wrote:um, yeah. So? You're not planning to get that far?



Evans have lower dps than arch mages on (with chain lightning, illusion, and paralyze) single neutral monsters if you include summons. There is a thread somewhere proving this. You can't use flamewheel as it's a multi mob skill.

Evans are cool.

And don't listen to those papayagots saying evan didn't bring anything new. Who cares?

we get a goddamm dragon following you, plus we get a new sp system.

but the dragon isn't new. Look at pets and summons.

yes it is.

but both the dragon and the new sp system don't affect gameplay that much.

neither does dual blade.

but dual blade has intensive mobility!

so do a bunch of other classes.

evans do have extremely useful support skills, though. That's their niche in the game.

aleluya! ^_^!
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#57
Hazzy Wrote:This seems like a bad idea at bosses. Between HB and SE, there'd be no room for anyone else....

Zakum and Pianus and Papulatus duoing would be much easier :3.

Even if there were 6 people, I still think it's useful. Saves nx, plus the Bishop doesn't need to resurrect as much.
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#58
ClawofBeta Wrote:Um, yeah. So? You're not planning to get that far?



Evans have lower DPS than Arch Mages on (with Chain Lightning, Illusion, and Paralyze) single neutral monsters if you include summons. There is a thread somewhere proving this. You can't use Flamewheel as it's a multi mob skill.

Evans are cool.

And don't listen to those papayagots saying Evan didn't bring anything new. Who cares?

We get a goddamm dragon following you, plus we get a new SP system.

But the dragon isn't new. Look at pets and summons.

Yes it is.

The dragon ISN'T new, it's basically a CS weapon, the dragon doesn't have any AI and does not fight for itself, you do the fighting for it and it stays strictly close to you, it's basically like having a shadow partner, only it's the shadow partner primarily attacking and not you, I don't see how this is unique

But both the dragon and the new SP system don't affect gameplay that much.

Neither does Dual Blade.

But Dual Blade has intensive mobility!

So do a bunch of other classes.

But dual blade actually has a reliable DPS and far more mobility than that of an Evan, with skills that advance the concept of pre existing skills and actually work! Although they're overpowered, at least they're not underpowered. Evan is a failed attempt at this(although it could be argued Dual blade was a failed attempt to, it just had better results)

Evans DO have extremely useful support skills, though. That's their niche in the game.
Because I'd rather have an Evan supporting my group with cooldown support skills rather than a bishop who can just spam heal me, defeating the need for pro defense

But Evan can do better mob damage with flame wheel than AM's!

Um, ultimates? The whole concept of mage is that they're the best mobbers in the game, I'd love to see you out dps an AM with flame wheel, as they ks you 1hkoing all the monsters in the vicinity. Chiefs are weak to ice now, I/L's will DESTROY them with blizzard, and CL will do just as good. Sure, Evans may be great against non-elemental or same-element monsters, but will anyone actually need to fight those? Maybe in the future, but as it is now, Skeles and Chiefs are basically the best spots to train at, therefore AM> Evan, Evans might be able to compare to a FP mage, but they're obviously better in mobbing in third job than any other class in the game.


I like Evan, the idea was cool, even though the dragon has no AI the attacks were just beautiful, I loved the idea of them being a mage that doesn't have to rely on a nuke button(ultimate) to train in fourth job, but still had some magic elements to it. I will also be making an Evan for the hell of it, and I will probably enjoy it a lot even if it is underpowered. But you probably shouldn't try to insist on digging up dirt on every possible thing that makes the Evan seem like they have anything worth aiming for.

However, this may change in the future, if for example they make new maps with monsters that are resistant to ice, lightning, and fire, and it becomes a main training area, then Evan will > AM, and such.
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#59
Well, at least those first few levels seem like fun and I'm looking forward to the storyline, so I'll just try one out and use minimal funding. Got a nice wooden wand and lama lying around, so that's all it's gonna get. Thén I'll give my opinion on it.
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#60
Seeing as this thread became a por and cons about evans, I may as well try to participate:

Yes, evans have pros and cons, as well as EVERY SINGLE CLASS

Pros:
More SP than other classes (therefore they can max more skills)
Elemental reset (this allows them to... well, it has to be usefull somewhere -_-)
You dont train by standing in a platform just pressing one button (this is comparing them to archmages and bishops)
Diferent elemental atacks (you have one of each element, even Dark*)
You have a multihitting atack (Illusion, maxed it has 400+ base damage)
You have god damn evolving dragon :O

Cons:
Most of its atacks are fire based
Their diferent magic guard makes them a LITTLE bit less resistant than magicians (but they have more HP than a normal archmage or bishop)
Elemental wands wont be usefull at early levels and using one would make your damage from Illusion and dark fog weaker
All the dragons look the same (this is REALLY minor, cash shop dragon painting anyone?)

* Dark fog and ghost Lettering both seem to be dark element
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