Curious how beneficial HP washing is...

Assuming you have 20k MP and 3k HP at 200

Most 200 mages I know don't even have 2500 hp. :f6:

if I wanted serous hp washing for a mage, I'd probably save up some APs and when you have enough, reset MP increase into Ebolt first. when you're done, reset it back into increase.

Actually the more HP you have the more damage mguard can soak.

You have to be able to survive 20% of the hit going to your HP.

So if a mage has 2001 HP, mguard can soak 10k damage and leave you with 1 hp.

Needing more MP is pretty much BS. For an AM your ultimate is going to cost you 7k. The piddly ass 5 mp per level you'd lose to washing isn't going to even make a dent in that. Even if you lost a full 1000 MP by your later levels which of these is more useful:

A mage with 3000 HP and 18000 MP that withstand a 15k hit or a mage with 2000 hp and 19000 MP that can take a 10k hit ?

Neither of them is getting any extra mileage for ultimate usage. No other spell in our repetoire has enough of a cost to make a noticable dent in our MP with more than 10k and our MP regen rate. That leaves a lot of 'extra" MP available to burn off right there.

There is a realistic benefit to HP washing a mage, it's not just not one many people feel the need for.

AM's who've HP washed can survive dispel much better than the rest of us because they're less risk of 1HKO by a mob while trying to get their MGuard back up. At lower levels of AM-hood Manon, Griffey and Pap can all steamroll right after you while you're stunned and dispelled. For an HP washed AM, they can survive the hit to pot until they're unstunned.

Ultimately it's up to each AM to decide on thier own if they're doing the sort of things where having that extra HP is going to help them, and if they can afford to waste money on doing something that's not strictly necessary.

The amount of HP you get per wash is not that good for a magician, and you lose something to the tune of 80 MP per wash. The equations are different for the mage than fro the other classes. So yes, you get some HP, but you lose so much MP that it's not worth it.

I don't remember the exact source from this, I think it was RoyalCatManDo's HP washing guide in SW.net. The guide was for bowmen, but people talked about washing for all classes.

Edit: you tested it yourself, I'd say 6 hp for 96 mp is "worthless" rather than "not that good." X_x

Even if the act of washing makes no sense for Magicians (I agree that that high of a ratio is too ridiculous), putting those 19 points between 197 and 200 as a lukless Magician still makes more sense than pumping MP or LUK, in my opinion. Sure, with the extra luk, zhelm, and +1 HT pendant, you can start scrolling some nice Maker'd shoes or overalls, but that's not too much of power boost, which, in the end, doesn't really matter.

What matters at bossing? The stronger ArchMage who dies to a hit or the slightly weaker one who can take the hit? Pump those 19 into HP.

Most 200 mages I know don't even have 2500 hp. :f6:

Assuming an MoN and an adventurer medal you would.

Even if the act of washing makes no sense for Magicians (I agree that that high of a ratio is too ridiculous), putting those 19 points between 197 and 200 as a lukless Magician still makes more sense than pumping MP or LUK, in my opinion. Sure, with the extra luk, zhelm, and +1 HT pendant, you can start scrolling some nice Maker'd shoes or overalls, but that's not too much of power boost, which, in the end, doesn't really matter.

What matters at bossing? The stronger ArchMage who dies to a hit or the slightly weaker one who can take the hit? Pump those 19 into HP.

My point is that those 19 points won't do much anyways. You'd get about 150 HP from those points, meaning you could take an extra 750 dmg. You're survivability is a little higher, but considering with HB a lvl 200 AM can already take any hit in the game 750 dmg isn't much.

Really, I guess it's personal opinion. You could go with having a little more survivability or using lvl 50 equips for a little more extra INT.

Even if the act of washing makes no sense for Magicians (I agree that that high of a ratio is too ridiculous), putting those 19 points between 197 and 200 as a lukless Magician still makes more sense than pumping MP or LUK, in my opinion. Sure, with the extra luk, zhelm, and +1 HT pendant, you can start scrolling some nice Maker'd shoes or overalls, but that's not too much of power boost, which, in the end, doesn't really matter.

What matters at bossing? The stronger ArchMage who dies to a hit or the slightly weaker one who can take the hit? Pump those 19 into HP.

I think if you want HP close to 200, you're better off scrolling a good Int Bosshunter Gi, (White Scrolls, amirite?) and wearing a Naricain Pendant. Getting that sort of HP by washing or placing AP in HP would be very counterproductive.

if you feel the need, wear hp gear in place of regular gear. your dmg won't decrease by THAT much and you'll survive better in bosses ;] unlike non-mage classes, our spell-formulas aren't heavily dependent on our int/ma.

no need to waste money on hpwashing a mage.

Having more hp is definitely nice. But it's not worth washing as it simply takes way too much mp.
I did put my last AP before 200 in HP though, since all other stats were pretty useless. That, and a HP scrolled rat mouth, lvl200 medal, MoN and some glasses put me at 31xx HP, which is just over 5k HP with HB. That's enough for me, and I don't have to wash to get that much and I'm not sacrificing any damage, other than 5 matk from switching to MoN instead of HTpend.

If your HP washing a mage, your doing it wrong.