Paralyze/Elquiness V.S. Chain Lightning/Ifrit
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Paralyze/Elquiness V.S. Chain Lightning/Ifrit
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2009-04-29, 11:20 PM
Which combo better DPS on a SINGLE target? It's not a F/P V.S. I/L debate. I just want to know which has better DPS when it comes to bossing at Pap or something. My bet is that Paralyze/Elquiness is stronger since summons attack very slow while Para and CL are the same speed except Para is stronger. Maybe someone can prove this with data so I'll make a 4th job F/P arch mage.
2009-04-29, 11:28 PM
Just by pure DPS, F/Ps win. But, if you also include summons getting in the way and such, CL can plow through them and keep damaging the boss while F/Ps need to use Paralyze one at a time to get through.
But as I said before, F/Ps win. According to Dusk's single target DPS thread, a lvl 200 lukless F/P will do 5k more DPS than a lvl 200 I/L 
2009-04-29, 11:30 PM
Paralyze: 284BA/0.72s
394.4... Base Attack Per Second El Quines: 270BA/3.03s 89.1089... Base Attack Per Second 483.5089 Base Attack Per Second Chain Lightning: 243BA/0.69s 352.17 Base Attack Per Second Ifrit: 300BA/3.03s 99.0099... Base Attack Per Second 451.1799 Base Attack Per Second.
2009-04-29, 11:54 PM
JoeTang Wrote:Paralyze: 284BA/0.72s Thank you. I can see who clearly wins. 
2009-04-30, 07:29 AM
Doesn't that kMS rebalance patch strengthen CL, while Paralyze remains untouched?
2009-04-30, 08:54 AM
Atruya Wrote:Doesn't that kMS rebalance patch strengthen CL, while Paralyze remains untouched? The max CL damage isn't changed, while the damage reduced after the first monster is. So the damage reduction from each monster to the next will be decreased.
2009-04-30, 01:44 PM
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
But well, these calculations only work for completely neutral elemented bosses, which IIRC don't exist. Biggest limiting factor in AM dps is the elemental property of the boss, which only affects Arch Mages and Paladins.  
2009-05-01, 02:14 AM
Cyanne Wrote:There are lots of completely neutral bosses, like pap and zakum. The arms aren't neutral.  
2009-05-02, 03:38 AM
I thought CL is faster than PA? According to the speed reference thread.
PA with booster = 720ms CL with booster = 690ms
2009-05-02, 03:44 AM
USMC Wrote:I thought CL is faster than PA? According to the speed reference thread. It is.
2009-05-02, 08:26 AM
And Joe did calculations with the attack speed difference. In the end, Joe's right, they're stronger in single target DPS, but that doesn't account for the boss's summons and the like.
2009-05-02, 09:33 AM
JoeTang Wrote:Mobs of 6: Good point. But most AMs don't even max the Demons until they've got the ultimate, single target, summon, and MW out of the way, right? Which means from 12x-15x I/Ls have the advantage in low numbers of mobs. I wish they'd buff AMs damage for both classes. It's unfairly low right now.  USMC Wrote:I thought CL is faster than PA? According to the speed reference thread.Technically what you should be comparing is the frame count, which is constant regardless of booster (though in most cases it's just identical to the normal speed without booster) paralyze = 800ms chainlightning = 780ms Demons are actually pretty efficient at line-mobbing 6 monsters; only beaten in raw damage/time by Torpedo in that aspect, and perhaps Rush + ACB/Fury (though not techcnically line-mobbers, accomplishes a similar thing). Add the fact that Teleport provides excellent mobility while attacking, and ultimateless mages are actually quite efficient trainers in a map suited for line-mobbing (which is... imaginary as of now, unfortunately). 
2009-05-03, 12:32 AM
Kabanaw Wrote:Good point. But most AMs don't even max the Demons until they've got the ultimate, single target, summon, and MW out of the way, right? Which means from 12x-15x I/Ls have the advantage in low numbers of mobs. [color="#cc8899"]And in exchange they should lower ULT damage for all 3 mage classes. Angel Ray could use a buff as well. What you're asking for is a class that not only obliterates Polearm DrKs, THE mobbing class before 4th job, in mobbing potential, but in 1v1 and small mob capability as well. Thank you, but no. @ Russt, L> More linear mob maps w/ ladders or ledges that are safe resting points with NO zerk-dangerous bosses[/COLOR]
2009-05-06, 07:49 AM
MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]And in exchange they should lower ULT damage for all 3 mage classes. Angel Ray could use a buff as well. What you're asking for is a class that not only obliterates Polearm DrKs, THE mobbing class before 4th job, in mobbing potential, but in 1v1 and small mob capability as well. Thank you, but no. Indeed. I would rather use the ultimates for what I think they were originally intended for, which is for clearing out large mobs quickly, but using it sparingly. If our single target damage was greater, we could easily train as fast as the other classes without using ultimates.
2009-05-06, 10:49 AM
JoeTang Wrote:Mobs of 6: [COLOR="Teal"]Wait...are you telling me my ICE DEMON BEATS OUT CHAIN LIGHTNING? WTH Ice demon is like the last thing to max, after bliz,cl,mw,summon...[/COLOR]
2009-05-06, 11:58 AM
Jormungandr Wrote:[COLOR="Teal"]Wait...are you telling me my ICE DEMON BEATS OUT CHAIN LIGHTNING? WTH It beats it out on mobs. CL is better for one to two targets, and after KMS changes I think three as well. |
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