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Why do so many people dislike Socialism?
#21
Damn it, Socialism ISN'T communism. And Hitler was a fascist, not a socialist. Nazism is a form of fascism. :/
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#22
Mira Wrote:Damn it, Socialism ISN'T communism. And Hitler was a fascist, not a socialist. Nazism is a form of fascism. :/

I am sorry, this topic did get derailed and there is confusion between the two for a lot of people.

But I will say, the VAST majority of people that dislike communism will also dislike socialism. My family and I are from the Soviet Union, almost all of Russian immigrants living in America that I am aware of are Republican and are afraid that America will become socialist. The only socialist ever I met in America from my cultural/religious group had a Soviet communist appartchik as his father and wishes Russia was still communist. Most people that flee a communist country absolutely detest and distrust big government, including socialist governments.
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#23
Quantact Wrote:My favorite part is that South Korea despite the technical existence of war between N and S Korea tries to send food aid to the starving people of N Korea but it's hard to make sure N Korea doesn't divert the aid to feed its army instead.

It's the same story as East and West Germany after WWII... when the N Korean government falls, (this will certainly happen,) the Koreas will unify, and South Korea will have to somehow make the North functional again. Even now, East Germany is a much $hittier situation than the West, despite major aid from a lot of sources. A couple years ago BBC announced that the Koreas were trying to negotiate a peace treaty, but I heard of no follow-ups so I assume it flopped.

Communism is like the black plague. It doesn't just kill people, it causes misery for generations on out.

Oh happy day, the day N. Korea collapses under it's own isolationist policies and leader. I'm curious, though, about what will come first, Il's death or fall of a communist country to our capitalistic and socialist world. I really would like to see N. Korea come out of it's state. Sad I'm supposed to go to South Korea to study at a university south of Seoul next fall, I think it would be nice to be able to actually go through the DMZ, rather than just tour it. Not like I expect it to happen that soon but, you know.

But now, it looks like they might just go to war. When they threw away all prior negotiations I thought it'd be sooner. I wonder about THAT outcome...

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#24
Mira Wrote:Damn it, Socialism ISN'T communism. And Hitler was a fascist, not a socialist. Nazism is a form of fascism. :/

Socialism. Read the first few paragraphs. Socialists in Europe today are primarily social "democracies", and thus don't fit with the old socialist nations. However, there are good examples of why people fit communists and socialists together, even in modern Europe: the Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands members Karl Liebknecht & Rosa Luxemburg split and formed the Sparacist League (and the KPD), which joined the Comintern. Radicals ended up killing a few people, this caused the local Bayerische Freikorps to respond, causing unnecessary death. When socialism is frustrated by democracy, it responds with force. When the government is frustrated by individuals, it responds with force. Marx & Engel's interpretation of the class struggle, proper goals and final stage of socialism is called communism. Furthermore, Socialist state. The second bullet states common Marxist interpretation that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism. With communism comes Leninism, and Lenin was followed by Stalin's fun collectivization and the Holodomor. In America, Eugene V. Debs is associated with socialism, his connection to deadly riots and "anti-Patriotism" also stigmatizes socialism.

Nazism is a merger of socialism and nationalism. You may like to note that other fascists (save for the Ustase, who was more of Nazi puppet than Italian puppet) rarely massacred populations. Italian, Spanish (Falange), Portuguese and Brazilian (Integralism) fascism are all different from Hitler's Nazism. Hitler associated finance capitalism with the Jews, and hence rejected it as a stable and sustainable form of economics for Germany (influenced by Mussollini who was a socialist). Hitler also disliked the Catholic clergy (which was dominant where he was raised), this is stereotypical of socialist and communist governments. Other fascists were largely in support of the dominant religion (Hitler tolerated Protestantism). As such, fascism cannot be thought of as a coherent ideology if you put the NSDAP in the same category...

Some good quotes that sum up my point of view...
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

About South Korea and North Korea's potential war: South Korea will easily destabilize North Korea. All it needs to do is bribe people with food. (Further more it is more populated, wealthier, and has much better military technology).

To conclude in a parallel question: Why do so many people dislike Libertarianism? I hear a lot of "Darn anarchist!".
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kleptophobia Wrote:About South Korea and North Korea's potential war: South Korea will easily destabilize North Korea. All it needs to do is bribe people with food. (Further more it is more populated, wealthier, and has much better military technology)

I just have to point out that if S. Korea tries to invade N. Korea, China will be all over that, and that's not a situation that'll be good for anybody.
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