2010-12-03, 11:44 AM
DrRusty Wrote:I didn't say "take away" free will. Free will is an illusion based on that scenario. Basically it comes down to
Fate - the universal principle or ultimate agency by which the order of things is presumably prescribed; the decreed cause of events
taking away your free will and all of your choices going to happen no matter what are different. To me, taking away free will would be like a master and a slave relationship. They decide everything that you're going to do. Fate is basically a telescope into the future that won't be changed. God happens to be the owner of that telescope meaning that he already knows what we're going to choose making this whole facade called "life" pointless. He could save a bunch of time by sorting everyone into heaven and hell at the time of birth and have the same effect.
If he knew Eve would eat from the tree then feed the apple to Adam, then why the hell did he put the tree there at all? That's exactly the point I'm making, that there is no point. It's almost like he was toying with them. He knew they would do it but he put it there anyways.
I'll be perfectly honest and say that I sat here and thought of a way to counter that argument, and I came up with nothing. It doesn't matter if he knew or didn't know. It's like a little kid that knows he's going to get in trouble for eating candy before dinner but does it anyways. If he had no idea Adam and Eve would do what they did, then he's just not the all knowing God people think he is. He would make human mistakes like everyone else.
What I don't like about your argument is "well being all knowing why didn't he do this this and this". That's a whole lotta assumptions, and a whole lot of questions people ask themselves during their mid-life crisis. For all you know, or even I know, that was a story fabricated/manipulated in too teach kids too listen, "Don't do it, resist temptation" there are many references you can get from that story, yet the simpliest are probably the intentional.
Now we can sit here and argue until were blue in the face of what principles god intended, and what our current government back in that time intended (government as in figurative leader, not to be taken litterally). Religion instilled a fear of consequence, consequence gave manipulation of what certain players of the game wanted.
Now let's play "what if", under the assumption everything in the bible is true, what if god was the creator who was assumed to know everything simply by knowing a lot? It's like a scientist creating a germ, or new substance then being placed under the assumption you'd know how that germ would act, would do, would become. I really doubt, through just basic logic, under the same germ example, that if I create a germ, and put it in a cross road between "eboli" and "cancer cure", I would know where it would go. Maybe it was an experiment to see what it would do.

