2010-11-18, 09:47 PM
JoeTang Wrote:Once again, another thread where Devil does math wrong.- Oh yes, indeed you're right, the Bstep bonus is not an additive... Well it would only make the difference between Bstep only and Bstep combo's smaller!
First of all, the passive bonus from Boomerang Step to Steal, Assaulter, and Savage Blow is a multiplier. Maxed Steal with maxed Boomerang Step does 390% damage.
Second, Steal is terribly pomegranatety. The only possible use it has is if you want to Steal something. The Stun rate is the same as the Steal Rate, I swear to God. It's horribly unreliable, and it will unstun monsters if it does not proc its own stun.
Third, Band of Thieves' activation range is perfectly fine. If you have trouble activating it on monsters, you're doing it wrong.
Presonally, I think the most efficient way to use ME is to lure with Band of Thieves, and the Savage Blow once or twice. Steal is pretty garbage. It does have its uses, but DPS is not one of them.
I have no idea where you got that new 900ms delay from, but at the speed cap, Boomerang Step still has about 1110ms Delay. I'm fairly sure weapon speed doesn't even reduce this delay, because I recall testing it two days ago without Booster, and retesting it now yields the same result.
Meso Explosion is retardedly hard to use. Its range for picking mesos to blow up is retardedly huge, and it chooses them in the order they drop, so if you kill a monster behind you and it leaves some coins, and you want to ME monsters in front of you with new coins, you'll have to blow the old ones up first. It takes a lot more strategic planning, and memory as to what dropped first, and it's well not worth the time to lure slow monsters into old piles of coins.
Also, where the fuck did you get 6000% per second from Meso Explosion from? It does 240% per coin with maxed Greed, that's only 2400% per explosion.

- The 900ms Bstep came from Dusk thread... The other number I could find was the old ultra slow Bstep from ages ago. Where do you get the 1110ms from? :o
- Yes, Meso Explosion Detonates in two directions now, that's why Steal is even better now, you concentrate PP drops in front of you, not from all sorts of monsters around you (with BoT)!

- And about the stun ratio, well 40% is better then nothing!

- About Meso Explosion damage, I used your very own post... o.0
JoeTang Wrote:Meso Explosion does 1 Hit per coin. You can only explode 15 coins (hence 15 max hits). It does its damage based on your damage range. My max damage is 3871. Maxed Greed gives 60% more damage to Meso Explosion, which apparently makes it do 1.6x more damage. Therefore, I can do up to 11148 before defense. I've seen some 10ks. If it were only +60%, I'd only do 240%, which my max is just barely under 9.3k, which the above contradicts. There appears to be some other factor contributing to the lower minimum damage. Likely, Mastery does not affect it is all.
- ME base: 180% per hit (coin)
- 15 explodes per ME use
- 10 monsters (can) get hit per ME use
- Greed multiplies damage by 1.6x
- Big Bang Criticals = 5% chance with 50% dmg
- Explorer 10% Critical Ring
- Meso explosion 750ms
My quick calcs:
- Critical: 15% chance with 50% damage each hit = 7.5% damage each hit on average
- 180% + 7.5% = 187.5%
- 187.5 * 1.6 (Greed) = 300%
- 300 * 15 (Hits) = 4500% each ME
- 4500 / 0.75 (750ms) = 6000% Meso Explosion DPS (Not per Explosion, that's 4500%)
The math is not wrong... the only thing that -can- be wrong, is the data about the ME formula / attack speed...

