Lukless or normal luk

Lukless is only cheaper if you're talking about startup gear only. You can be lukless with clean gear. Lukless is better for most of 1st - 3rd job, because you can't wear the high level stuff yet. So yes, it is a good idea to start out lukless and convert once you have a little money. You can't say one build is cheaper than another, because to compare them you want to use equal funding. With equal funding, luk > lukless. 64 maple weapon = 81 stats clean - 4 = +77 magic. Normal staves = +12. That's a 65 magic advantage. Now let's just assume we're not talking about completely clean, unfunded characters with absolutely no gear and we're in the range of what normal people would use. Compare common items. ZHelm = 15. HTP = 22. That drops the advantage down to 28. Medal. Belt. We're looking at only a little over a 20 stat advantage by being lukless now. Maker'd gear EASILY covers this difference. Just the shoe - you can easily grab 18-20 stats out of a high level Maker'd shoe for less than 100m. Good luck getting a YSS or a level 50 shoe with stats like that for a comparable price. Then you have the weapon, overall, and glove. Not saying you can't make a lukless Bishop stronger than a luk Bishop, but for equal funding in the "average 4th jobber" range (500mish -several bil) luk is pretty much always stronger.

Lukless = Base 4 Luk. Doesn't matter how much Luk Gear you have.
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So for a person who's asking whether to go lukless or luk, you'll always tell them lukless is better? After all with enough funding you can have minimum secondary stat on any character. But is it realistic? Do most people have gear like that? What's the difference between a Reverse user and 4 base luk and a Reverse user with 5 base luk if they're using the same items, other than one has more of it scrolled for luk? Three people:

1. Reverse with 5 base luk
2. Reverse with 4 base luk
3. Maple Shine Wand user with 4 base luk

Would you really group the Shine Wand and the Reverse user together instead of the two Reverse users? It may make sense to say those two are the same from a "where did you put your AP" perspective, but the differences is gear used and the numbers on the stat screen are massive. Stats in Maple are simple as hell. You either add one stat or you add two (or three for Shadowers). I dunno why people have to complicate things with "low/normal/less" definitions, except maybe for the sake of vanity.