Lloyd Korn shuts down MapleStory hackers.

Dang, ok, so I will start hoping nexon doesn't go towards the option I see as morally correct, and that I support, noted.

Then you will continue to support abusing the law to achieve your "morally correct" ways. For someone who supports the law in the following statements, you sure are agreeing with abusing it quite blatantly. And if you don't think they're abusing it, you need to think about what they did to Fiel.

Obviously they aren't insignificant since they had enough to make them take the site down, and abusing the law isn't 'abusing' when they recently updated the ToS to deal with it. Want to put a stop to drug addicts? Go after the distributors rather than individuals using them. Granted, that is more extreme than maple hackers, but it's the same idea.

CEF didn't deserve the fate it got. The entire site was more than just MapleStory hackers, nor was it just somewhere where the "evil hackers" hang out. It's a place where people like Bui was talking about that hack due to human nature and the drive to learn more. CEF was more of that than anything. Be aware stopping drug trafficking is a completely different scenario. MapleStory hacking is nothing like drugs.

Nexon updated the ToS to include using and/or distributing hacks as breaking them, also.

Thus Nexon is using this as the legal backing, ever downloaded Maple? then you agreed even without clicking yes on the ToS, and the whole ignorance bit generally doesn't work, I doubt you'd get far defending it by arguing that you didn't know you couldn't distribute hacks, these sites know that they shouldn't be doing it really, but continue anyway.

Keep in mind that their simple Terms of Service/Privacy Policy aren't law, and aren't backed by law. It's their copyrights and trademarks that are backed by the law.

Completely different scenario, the internet is not the same service as newspapers. News websites aren't copying the exact information from newspapers (though they might be writing about the same stories). Hacks change the code of maplestory, and for the real consumers enjoyment, force them to invest money and time on attempting to patch said hacks.

No, actually, I'm pretty sure it's an accurate comparison. Weren't really talking about the copying of information, more of the claim that it's damaging their profits, which is being used just so Nexon can justify what they're doing, so they can "keep MapleStory free".

and I guarentee you don't sign a contract saying that you won't use 3rd party products on your car.

And if you did, would that stop people? No. The POINT IS, music, Nexon's media, and cars are all creative, well, creations, and the car manufacturers and not going bankrupt because people make after-market parts, so why should this apply only to computers and not other industries, such as cars?

Ok, lets compared hacking to other industries opinions on hacking the products then, firstly car hacking... oh wait, can't do that, urm, ok , the film industry? Ah, they spend enough time trying to arrest the people who distribute fake dvds and files, not a good example for you then, what else, what else. Hmm. Video game companies do the best they can because they like to protect the products they've made.

Every industry has it's equivalent. 3rd party/after market parts for cars. Film, music, and video game pirates. However, the latter are much WORSE than hackers. If everyone pirates their music and movies, there will be a huge dent in their profits, enough to sink them eventually. However, how is hacking sinking Nexon's profits? They're not stopping anyone from buying NX, and I'm sure their profits increase exponentially every year regardless of hackers (aside from Maple SEA's dilemma).

Ah , of course, progress, duplicating something to screw over the original makers who spent time and money on it is progress! God, we've progressed so far, i'm sure in older times Shakespear wouldn't have minded if people had stolen copies of his script and used them to make identical plays over the country, at the very least! Oh wait...

The internet is not real life. It never will be. There are some things you can control and some you can't. It's like he said, this is a situation in which once something is made once, it can be instantly duplicated, making it infinitely harder to control.

Yes, it is getting out of hand, this is not one of the times it's out of hand, the only situation where it is out of control currently is where people patent something, make no attempt to make something of it, then sue when something similar to your patent is finally made.

Obviously, it is. Nexon is going to continually chase people until they exert all they can and fall over. This isn't something you can control with legal brute force. I think it needs to be clarified that for once, there is an arena where most laws and legalities don't apply, and that place IS the internet. Once again, this is a place where information can be instantly duplicated, illegal files stored, private communities meet, and other things that you're never going to be rid of completely.

EDIT: Forte, Fiel WAS partaking in Nexon's Intellectual Property. That's the only reason they would've gotten away with what they did.