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Lloyd Korn shuts down MapleStory hackers.
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LazyBui Wrote:The argument that it "damages their profit" could be used for anything. Hey, the Internet damages the profit of newspapers. The Internet "damages" profits for record companies. The Internet "damages" the profits of Internet businesses! Yet no ISPs are being sued.


The music industry is being hurt badly by the free distribution of music.
Yes, the internet damages the profit of newspapers. But it's okay. They adapted to follow suit. Yes, the internet damages profits for record companies. What do you think Pirate Bay was down for? They had to move ISPs and their servers because their former server got shut down. Is the music industry then suppressing freedom of "speech" as you put it?

In fact the ISP wasn't even sued in this case, they were told that CEF was performing illegal acts and took down the site in order to prevent legal action that could affect them.

LazyBui Wrote:Or, in a more accurate example, third party markets for car parts damages the car manufacturer's profits. If you think designing and manufacturing cars is not a creative act, then ???. The point is that computers SHOULD BE no different from any other industry. The only difference is that it's infinitely easier and less costly to create duplicates of anything imaginable. Okay. So what makes sense here is to go completely against that idea of progress and outlaw it!

How are third party markets for car parts damaging the car manufacturers products? You already paid for the car model itself so therefore you're just modding it. You also don't affect anyone else by modding your car, unlike in Maple Story, so this doesn't even apply.

Unless you're suggesting that Maple Story be pay to play, then you're right. Hackers can do whatever the pineappling want.

Computers should be no different then any industry? Well gee whiz I don't see Toyota copying the EXACT same model of car, and then offering it to people for free and maybe some donations on the side.

You call this crap progress? It's interesting because the way I see it, everyone will suffer if no one innovates and simply just copies ideas. It's interesting eh?

LazyBui Wrote:The legal system was NOT designed for what we've experienced these last 20-25 years. There are a lot of issues with copyright, but it's getting way out of hand.

"Yay because they share my opinion" only works until they don't share your opinion. Mr. Korn has even specified that he has no problem with "the Southperry," "but you've got to stay away from cracking codes and extracting" [don't remember the exact quote, can't be bothered to dig up that phone conversation] and tried to stop Fiel from doing his thing. Fiel received a DMCA complaint, I believe. You can't tell me that what Fiel was doing here wasn't fair use.

This isn't even the same thing. I don't agree with Nexon on this one because Fiel was not doing anything infringing on Nexon's copyright. However Nexon was acting on information from MapleSnow (or whatever the pineapple they were called) accusing him of it.

This is different. Nexon was out of bounds BECAUSE Fiel was not affecting their profits and partaking of their intellectual product.

LazyBui Wrote:This isn't theory, this is a real example of free speech infringement using copyright as a guise for "whatever the pineapple I want." No. That's not how it works.

I don't like hackers as much as the next guy and I don't play any private servers, but I respect their right to speech. Something we clearly disagree on.

How the hell is this relating to freedom of speech? Freedom of speech let's you say "Nexon sucks, blah blah blah blah blah". Freedom of speech doesn't let you do, as you say, "whatever the pineapple I want." No. That's not how it works.

Your example of private servers is akin to this. A store opens up on a street right next to an established store. Now this established store is innovative, they design their own product. Now the new store breaks in, steals the designs and produces their own product at a fraction of the cost. They then sell it for a lower price, or give it for free, and charge for extras.

Is this not what Nexon is fighting against? Computers should be treated the same as any other product,

I'm pineappling sorry but if you think freedom of speech is the ability to do whatever you want, you're sadly mistaken.


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Lloyd Korn shuts down MapleStory hackers. - by Forte - 2009-04-26, 03:02 PM

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