2016-06-15, 03:08 PM
Flonne Wrote:It's both. Though, in my most likely unpopular opinion, equating terrorism directly with Islam is not exactly a bad thing, seeing as nearly all of the most active terrorist cells in the modern world also happen to be Muslim. Basically, even if not all Muslims are terrorists, just about all terrorists are Muslim. They are running rampant through Europe right now and in a few decades it will just be a new branch of the middle east, they are reproducing around 10 times faster than the other citizens there in all of the countries that have "taken them in", even while going on raping/killing sprees against the non-Muslims in those countries.
Islamophobia just means fear of those people, and to me that seems to be the most logical thing to do right now; why should we trust them when they have proven time and again that they are at best unfriendly and unaccepting of our world views and at worst extremist mass murderers who care nothing about their own lives as long as they take as many of us as possible down with them? Maybe Trump's "Muslim ban" is exactly what we need, at least until we get them under control, if it's even possible to do so. They don't seem to care at all about joining the rest of the civilized world and prefer to stay in their own religious bubble at all costs, so maybe putting them in a literal bubble by isolating them from the rest of the world completely for a few decades will either get them thinking about the future or cause them to turn on themselves and kill each other off. A lot of the royalty over there could not live without all the luxuries from various other countries, and many have even admitted that they watch American television and pomegranate; just cut them off, completely, and maybe they will at least pretend to be a bit more friendly for a while. The way it is going now, we are just letting them walk all over us with absolutely no repercussions.
In my view, the difference between homophobia and Islamophobia (as in, the difference in why one is acceptable and the other is not) is that the LGBT community does not train mass murderers to kill people that disagree with them, they have always generally been about passive protest to get the things they want (arguably, need, but that's not the point of this particular comparison). Why can't I be intolerant of Muslims, at this point? Even if it isn't all of them, an unsettlingly large portion of them are terrible people who care nothing about us and would either kill as many of us as possible at the first opportunity or, as is happening in Europe right now, work to undermine our entire culture and replace it with their culture. I feel that disliking them is completely justifiable, because they have no real redeeming qualities even in the best of them and do not accept any form of compromise, they are too violent for modern society and other more rational marginalized groups such as the LGBT community are much more willing to get things done in a sane manner. Their way takes time obviously, seeing as only recently in history has gay marriage even become acceptable, but the constant, PEACEFUL protests DO eventually get somewhere, whereas violent acts of war get nobody anywhere.
So you think a gun ban won't stop bad people from getting guns but you think an Islam ban will stop bad Muslims from getting into the United States? Am I understanding you correctly?
Yeah, nice exaggeration of the point, "new branch of the middle east" lol
"an unsettlingly large portion"? Nearly a quarter of the human race is Muslim. All sorts of people can comprise a quarter of the human race.
cronnoponno Wrote:Honestly the fact that they would honestly subscribe themselves to a faith that condones completely savage acts immediately disqualifies them from sympathy of any sort. I'm getting pretty tired of how much we are shooting ourselves in the foot with political-correctness and euphemisms, it is a serious issue in our culture, the fact that someone religiously motivated to kill people causes one of the deadliest shootings in U.S history can handwaive a significant amount of concern for that specific cause is ''Shut up, you're Islamaphobic!'' is seriously an issue.
Ugh, I just can't come to terms with the fact that these people literally have this faith so pounded into them that they'd fucking shoot people they disagree with, and just because some of them show restraint by not indiscriminately murdering people their religion tells them to murder I'm ''Islamaphobic'' for NOT being okay with that faith. These people are completely racist and xenophobic of every culture that doesn't bow down to their....frankly pretty disgusting doctrines yet they are not condemned for this simply because they're foreign, yet those of us being on the receiving end are literally treated like scumbags for having a very reasonable hatred of what their faith represents and has caused to us are hateful and deserving of mockery?
It's a faith of savagry at this point, if it is not and it's just a group of people ''misinterpreting'' that faith, it is a faith that facilitates savagry on a much, much higher scale than most things in this world and I would be ashamed to be affiliated with such a faith knowing that it has been used as a tool to commit murder like this. I know it's not the only religion that does things like this, and I am not excluding other religions and faiths from this sort of accusation, but I think it's pretty fair to say the faith as a whole has earned my contempt and disrespect.
I'm pretty sure most faiths "condone completely savage acts" in one form or another. Would you prefer to ban religion?
Do you think people of Islamic faith had it pounded into them so hard that they'd shoot someone or that people that would shoot someone happen to be Muslim?
Your "but" in your last sentence paints you in a pretty biased light, at least to me.