Esoterics

I'm sorry, I don't what this thread is supposed to be about. Could you restate the subject matter that you want to discuss?

The men behind that are infamous for being the puppet masters, do you think they really controlled things as many documentaries have pointed out? Or do you think it's a bunch of nonsense?

Regarding Crowley and LaVey, a lot of people have skewed perspectives of them because of their so called "dark beliefs". Both were pagans, which already put them at a disadvantage in the eyes of the public. Crowley was labeled as a devil worshiper, simply because of his anti-christian beliefs and "prophetic" writings. But behind all of that he was a brilliant person, dark, yes, but incredibly smart. He wanted to move society forwards, free of guilt and prejudice; even if it was in a quite unusual way. Anton LaVey was the real satanist- but satanism isn't what most people seem to think it is. He founded the church of satan on the beliefs of not worshiping the devil but rather worshiping the body and worshiping yourself, which i think is admirable.

[COLOR="#FFF0F5"]Interesting that you say he was labeled as a devil worshiper and not because he was, he called himself the beast/antichrist many times and there was alot of evidence of rituals, how is it that you have come to find him so......neutral or play him off as just a brilliant man when in his documentary the judge himself said he had never seen such wickedness. In regards to LaVey, worshiping yourself is one of the facets of satanism, they are many examples that can be found of them praising the upside down pentagram which is in itself worshiping satan, the other stuff such as indulging in the body and all that is against Christian beliefs, reasons like that is why satan and God are polar opposites. What they do is not just simple actions that are confined to be outside all other realms of thought and cannot be judged/compared to morals and ethics of right and wrong. They use the cop-out of "oh no we just USE satan as a symbol it's like not we really worship him hahaha," i'm sorry but anyone who falls for that isn't thinking very well. To do those things which they do wholeheartedly in essence makes them worshiper of satan, it's the difference between balance and indulgence, praising yourself rather than the creator and all that. There is a reason most of these things are labelled as occult practices.

In short what i'm trying to s is, how can one view these actions in a bubble and not realize the significance of them. I understand neutrality and not caring about them because they haven't directly influenced our life (which is debatable), but to know what their lives have entailed and still find a way to disregard it I find baffling.[/COLOR]

I think the most interesting aspect I find about your statements is that you seem not be to aware that certain actions have meanings beyond what you see them as, to give an example it's like a person going and stealing into someone's house and taking their food then saying "it's ok guys calm down I was hungry no need to label me as a criminal." Like claiming ignorance, I didn't know any better or it doesn't matter that much, which I have found the masses have always been readily willing to accept until something big happens which can be found in many examples of recent history if you look. I guess that's why Esotericism is what it is.