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Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil)
Chilly Wrote:My brother didn't get much time to test it out, but he thinks there is some sort of chaining mechanism with Glacier Chain (chain, hehe) and Chain Lightning (chain again, hehe). To be sure, what delays are you using for GC and CL? He did some tests and GC has a massive delay if used in succession.

He didn't get multiple trials for a statistically sound result but preliminarily, a full minute of spamming results in:
  • 40 casts of GC
  • 74 casts of an alternating GC/CL
  • 92 casts of CL

He has the Attack Speed Increase Inner Ability

 Spoiler

He's asking if yourself or more importantly any other I/L can confirm the behavior of these skills.

hm. I was never made aware of this, but apparently, Glacial Chains has a spam delay of 1500ms, and an attack delay of 1050ms. I was under the impression it could be fully spammed with no penalty. It's something we've never had tested since it was not possible to spam Glacial Chains indefinitely without Hyper Skills (unless you had a retarded amount of -CD?).

This means after the 1050ms of attack delay (down to 810ms at speed cap), there is still a small 450ms gap (690ms at speed cap) leading to the 1500ms where Glacial Chains can't be cast again, but another action can be performed. This explains why someone would want to alternate with Chain Lightning. My table currently uses a 1050ms attack delay with no spam delay. I'm currently in the process of updating all of my calculations to the new GMS patch, as well as the Unlimited Defense Formula for KMS, and I should get to this one after I finish the Warriors. It is a rather boring process though and I'm not hurrying.

In terms of theory, it should be beneficial to add Glacial Chains every other attack unless you're hitting the damage cap, seeing as it's the superior DPS on its own merit without the spam delay, but the spam delay prevents you from, well, spamming it. I just noticed my tables include Teleport Mastery for Glacial Chains for both charts, not just the Teleport spoiler, and I'll fix that too.
Ask him to hold down up, and mash the Teleport key while attacking and see if it works. I would imagine it to be rather difficult though if you're alternating between two skills regardless of if it's Glacial Chains + Chain Lightning, or Energy Bolt + Magic Claw.


As for the math:
CL: 200 * 7 * 1.2 * (1+0.96 * 0.5) / 0.78 = 2380%/s
CL+GL: (200 * 7 * 1.2 * (1+0.96 * 0.5) + 340 * 7 * (1 + 0.71 * 0.5)) / (0.78 + 1.050) = 3120%/s

With say 300% total damage
CL: 200 * 7 * 4.2 * (1+0.96 * 0.5) / 0.78 = 11156%/s
CL+GL: (200 * 7 * 4.2 * (1+0.96 * 0.5) + 340 * 7 * 4 * (1 + 0.71 * 0.5)) / (0.78 + 1.050) = 11804%/s

Attack Speed should scale linearly, so it's irrelevant...kind of. Assuming you take Chain Lightning Reinforce, Bonus Attack, and Glacial Chain Bonus Attack and Cooltime Reduce, these are the numbers.
It's possible that the spam delay may still be active if you have too much attack speed; i.e. at speed cap:
Glacial Chains = 810ms
Chain Lightning = 600ms
810+600 = 1410ms, so there's 90ms wasted waiting if you try to use Glacial Chains immediately, so a more accurate representation of that attack rate would be 1500ms, rather than 1410ms. In this case, I believe it is very slightly better to do GL + 2x CL.


EDIT:

I've updated both posts now, let me know if there's any discrepancies. The Glacial Chain table alternates between GL and CL, and I think at Fastest 2, it does GL + 2CL. The most notable difference is against non-0 defense.

The description I've added is wrong, and I'm too lazy to change it right now. It should read
[INDENT]Hyper (Glacial Chain): Uses Lightning Sphere (assumed 270ms attack speed) and the following: Chain Lightning - Reinforce, Chain Lightning - Bonus Attack, Glacial Chain - Bonus Attack, Glacial Chain - Cooltime Reduce, Teleport Mastery - Reinforce[/INDENT]
For both tables.
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Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - by Rick - 2011-09-27, 08:28 PM
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