2012-11-24, 10:38 AM
I vaguely remember reading something that said SoKs are buyable from NPCs now? Or was that someone's wishful thinking?
If you can buy them from NPCs, I can understand the SoK limit, and the lock on drop. If you cannot, this update sucks even more ass than I had initially thought.
The idea, in theory (and practice for many games), for the drops, is the following:
Ten people are at a boss. One is a leecher and isn't doing anything. Little does he know, you have to participate to get any rewards with this new system. So the following happens when the boss dies:
1) EXP is distributed much like it is now. The more you did, the better your gain. The leecher gets nothing because he did nothing. Anyone who did less than, let's say, 1% of the total damage is screwed and gets nothing because in actuality, they did not participate to the overall effort.
2) Items drop. All of the people who got EXP from above, also get their own individual set of drops. Player 1 cannot see Player 2-9's drops at all. They have all rights to everything that they can see, and in fact no one else would ever be able to pick up the drops that are not for them (Unless a timer is added, but that's complicating it more than necessary). Once again, Player 10, the leecher, is screwed. He tried to leech, and as a result the game did not register him as participating and so nothing appears for him.
3) An alternative to #2, which is used in most games that apply this feature, is that when the boss is killed, instead of dropping loot, they either spawn a chest, or become a lootable corpse. You can walk up to the corpse, look it, and get all the loot that would normally randomly generate on the ground. If a chest were to spawn, you simply open it like a normal chest.
Personally, I do not support #3 in Maple. Why? Because there are too many items that spawn from a boss. Even if you reduce the amount of potions, ETCs, and other crap that spawns, it's still a lot. You do not have a lot of inventory space. It would cause issues that are unnecessary. In all honesty, when spawning these items it wouldn't really be TOO hard, but we know how Nexon complicates everything.
The major issue, which I expressed earlier, with bosses becoming Un-soloable is that drops are for everyone. There's too many issues dealing with playing in parties because most people are, to put it simply, assholes. As a result people shy away from party play against bosses because they drop the most useful and valuable items in the entire game. This system would alleviate this issue. You wouldn't be against partying, because there's literally no reason not to, especially when they give dirt for EXP now.
As for the damage type deal:
You could easily give Bowmen stuff like Piercing, Quick shots, etc. Different types of arrow shots that are meant to do different things. Is it meant to just be a quick barrage of shots, like Hurricane types? Well, that can be a different category than a skill like Snipe, which is meant to do massive damage in a single shot. Does it do an element? Stuff like that. Honestly you could implement the same for Mages, but really, this is all stuff that would serve the game better in MS2, where the engine, mechanics, balance, etc are all fresh. Here it would do little more than muddle up the game, in my opinion.
If you can buy them from NPCs, I can understand the SoK limit, and the lock on drop. If you cannot, this update sucks even more ass than I had initially thought.
valhala556 Wrote:Ah so u want the slash/stab as a way to spice things up in training. ok I understand now. I was just thinking that was kinda jumping the gun on what nexon should do with this game revamp(which is it but oh well), But it does seem like a nice Idea. You'd have to give archers some kind of variation too though.
@ drop stuff:
So what your saying is that if someone picks up item X then everyone in the party has a equally random chance to receive item X? well more like when the boss drops each indiviable has a random chance to see the items drop by a boss. Ok yes that is another way. It is especially good in the cases where bosses still drop something extreamly rare so we don't have to give people a chance to fight over it.
The idea, in theory (and practice for many games), for the drops, is the following:
Ten people are at a boss. One is a leecher and isn't doing anything. Little does he know, you have to participate to get any rewards with this new system. So the following happens when the boss dies:
1) EXP is distributed much like it is now. The more you did, the better your gain. The leecher gets nothing because he did nothing. Anyone who did less than, let's say, 1% of the total damage is screwed and gets nothing because in actuality, they did not participate to the overall effort.
2) Items drop. All of the people who got EXP from above, also get their own individual set of drops. Player 1 cannot see Player 2-9's drops at all. They have all rights to everything that they can see, and in fact no one else would ever be able to pick up the drops that are not for them (Unless a timer is added, but that's complicating it more than necessary). Once again, Player 10, the leecher, is screwed. He tried to leech, and as a result the game did not register him as participating and so nothing appears for him.
3) An alternative to #2, which is used in most games that apply this feature, is that when the boss is killed, instead of dropping loot, they either spawn a chest, or become a lootable corpse. You can walk up to the corpse, look it, and get all the loot that would normally randomly generate on the ground. If a chest were to spawn, you simply open it like a normal chest.
Personally, I do not support #3 in Maple. Why? Because there are too many items that spawn from a boss. Even if you reduce the amount of potions, ETCs, and other crap that spawns, it's still a lot. You do not have a lot of inventory space. It would cause issues that are unnecessary. In all honesty, when spawning these items it wouldn't really be TOO hard, but we know how Nexon complicates everything.
The major issue, which I expressed earlier, with bosses becoming Un-soloable is that drops are for everyone. There's too many issues dealing with playing in parties because most people are, to put it simply, assholes. As a result people shy away from party play against bosses because they drop the most useful and valuable items in the entire game. This system would alleviate this issue. You wouldn't be against partying, because there's literally no reason not to, especially when they give dirt for EXP now.
As for the damage type deal:
You could easily give Bowmen stuff like Piercing, Quick shots, etc. Different types of arrow shots that are meant to do different things. Is it meant to just be a quick barrage of shots, like Hurricane types? Well, that can be a different category than a skill like Snipe, which is meant to do massive damage in a single shot. Does it do an element? Stuff like that. Honestly you could implement the same for Mages, but really, this is all stuff that would serve the game better in MS2, where the engine, mechanics, balance, etc are all fresh. Here it would do little more than muddle up the game, in my opinion.