The timing sequence for Damage Reflect for Empress Cygnus.

Just felt that the damage reflect timing for Empress Cygnus is kinda haphazard.

Its like its damage reflect timing is different when soloing, with a max party of 18 people.

Hope some of the regulars can enlighten on the timing for damage reflect.

Its like its damage reflect timing is different when soloing, with a max party of 18 people.

That's because it is.

When you attack her solo, she casts reflect as defined in the game files, roughly 80 seconds from the last cast, but when attacking as a group, she can pretty much reflect whenever the hell she feels like, sometimes spamming in rapid succession, with no rhyme or reason, making it impossible to time. We've chalked this up to just her being glitched.

That's because it is.

When you attack her solo, she casts reflect as defined in the game files, roughly 80 seconds from the last cast, but when attacking as a group, she can pretty much reflect whenever the hell she feels like, sometimes spamming in rapid succession, with no rhyme or reason, making it impossible to time. We've chalked this up to just her being glitched.

then how do u all kill her in a squad setting?

Well, for attacking her, usually we just use Demon Slayer's Binding Darkness, and then cast Magic Crash after Bind is over and only attack while either of those skills is up. She's somewhat impossible to kill, but the running theory is that you have to just keep attacking until she stops healing, and she seems to do it about 60 times, which adds about 50b HP.

but when attacking as a group, she can pretty much reflect whenever the hell she feels like, sometimes spamming in rapid succession, with no rhyme or reason, making it impossible to time

this. sometimes I would watch emp videos before going in, and she reflects whenever she wants to with no pattern at all

you just have to watch her animations, or else EVERYONE pays for it.
right now it seems to be best to wait until she IS fixed (Dual Blade revamp?). it's random if she will DR like a madwoman or rarely at all. our group watches her between bind/crash CD.

edit: okay sorry xd

you just have to watch her animations, or else EVERYONE (in range) pays for it.

Pretty sure the DR attack is full map, and it should always target whoever has the lowest HP first (aside from Binding Darkness, I think that kills everyone in the map immediately on DR providing they have less than 50k HP), but other than that yeah you're right.

Pretty sure the DR attack is full map, and it should always target whoever has the lowest HP first (aside from Binding Darkness, I think that kills everyone in the map immediately on DR providing they have less than 50k HP), but other than that yeah you're right.

It IS full map.
When hackers summoned an empress in henesys, I remember people taking 50ks on the other end of the map by idiots who didn't understand how DR worked for empress.

It IS full map.
When hackers summoned an empress in henesys, I remember people taking 50ks on the other end of the map by idiots who didn't understand how DR worked for empress.

Also vouching for this.

Also vouching for this.

and i vouch it going by current HP, was real fun ohkoing everyone in henesys when they got too... retarded to undersand to stop attacking.

binding darkness only kills one person, why would it kill more than one?

I was getting hit by it on the entire opposite side of Henesys. I had around 9.4k HP at the time and I'm sure that wasn't the lowest there.

I was getting hit by it on the entire opposite side of Henesys. I had around 9.4k HP at the time and I'm sure that wasn't the lowest there.

lowest alive, you underestimate the amounts of nubs attacking empress.

and i don't mean buzzcut mesosplz nubs, but level 180+ warriors with 30k hp

ah, I was just confused since one time I didn't get hit by it when my squad was
I think I had the most HP, and she was hit only a few times leaving me alone.

ah, I was just confused since one time I didn't get hit by it when my squad was
I think I had the most HP, and she was hit only a few times leaving me alone.

yea, in my runs, the death order is always this:

female demon slayer, male demon slayer, and i stay surviving.

one time we brought a washed mercedes with more HP than the DS's, while testing stuff empress used reflect, all three of them died due to hurricane, leaving me alone.

in the mass runs i go, bishops and thieves are the ones that always die first. it's 100% guaranteed to be based on remaining HP among the surviving members, and from what i got from hurricane (it was only one instance though) low-HP classes can't kill people with high HP (say the mercedes and me are in a party, the merc does 2 shots of hurricane, both get reflected, one would hit her, the other one would not get reflected)

If I'm reading that right, a non-attacking Bishop with the most HP in the party could just resurrect everybody and never die from DR?

If I'm reading that right, a non-attacking Bishop with the most HP in the party could just resurrect everybody and never die from DR?

correct, assumming everyone dies clumped together.

In our runs, I always kill [MENTION=4598]MoldyBunny[/MENTION] ;_;

I didn't realize Damage Reflect was such a big problem, but I guess everyone doesn't have Crash and/or Bind readily available.

But, you can try attacking her while she's doing other things, she can't cast damage reflect in the middle of using an attack, after all, but in a huge group, I'm not sure everyone would be able to do that without someone slipping up and hitting her during damage reflect. It's risky, but it works.

binding darkness only kills one person, why would it kill more than one?

Was on a run when a DS used Bind on DR and everyone in the map died, but there was also a Mercedes so presumably she (I'm looking at you [MENTION=1392]MapleCookie[/MENTION] was attacking at the same time, my bad.

If I'm reading that right, a non-attacking Bishop with the most HP in the party could just resurrect everybody and never die from DR?

Yep, that's pretty much what I'd been building my Bishop around. Hopefully I'll get an AP reset with Justice and will actually be able to make it happen xD

I guess that would make sense since I'm the first to die from DR when I bring a few people from my guild.

Was on a run when a DS used Bind on DR and everyone in the map died, but there was also a Mercedes so presumably she (I'm looking at you [MENTION=1392]MapleCookie[/MENTION] was attacking at the same time, my bad.



Yep, that's pretty much what I'd been building my Bishop around. Hopefully I'll get an AP reset with Justice and will actually be able to make it happen xD

yea, i can vouch, in the rare instances where bind hits reflect, only one person dies, best seen at the henesys mishap.