"KONY 2012"

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That's because everyone thought appeasing him was the way to go. Horrible idea. That's NOT what peace talks and negotiations are supposed to be. Also, way to go - proving the "all arguments on the internet eventually lead to nazi/Hitler comparisons" theory yet again.[/COLOR]

That wasn't my intention, peace talks don't normally work without people fighting first.

"until the underlying problem -the region's poor governance - is adequately deal with, there will be no sustainable peace."

This.

I would feel less... "irked" about this movement if the end of it was helping in the development of the country (a long term, lasting solution) instead of urging the world to do something/anything in order to I don't know... feel like "something" has been done?

Really, the problem is not doing "something". The problem is doing something and following it through. You kill Kony the bad guy, then what? Leave the surrounding areas in turmoil and crap over/ strain the regions that have undergone some degree of improvement/development over the past years? Then ten years later, cry about the troops that still have not returned home or be forced to face the army that you trained/equipped all those years ago during that period of governance instability?

What's the other simple solution? Pour money... somewhere? Haiti anyone? (Yeah, Haiti still exists. It did not magically vanish after the earthquake).

While making people aware of the problems out there is not wrong, utilizing the misinformed opinion of the people to pressure the government of developed countries into taking some undefined course of action just doesn't sit well with me. And it's stupid.

Plus as other well informed people have already pointed out, there are ways which every person can use in order to support Uganda + other hundreds of similar regions that does not require the presence nor direct action of governments and that can contribute to the long term development/stability of the area. Sure, your 5$ will not instantly rid Africa of madmen, but it might just put a textbook into the hands of someone out there that will hopefully allow him/her to learn stuff and contribute to the development of his/her country.

Anyway. Point is, hundreds of undeveloped regions to this date are still going through similar problems for various reasons. It's impossible to help anyone by oversimplifying things and remaining ignorant of those reasons. No help is better than bad help, or something like that.

ITT: Flonne argues about morals.

Seriously though, I shared the video because I thought it was interesting and at the very least informative. I can't say I have an opinion either which way of whether this is the right or wrong thing to do, but I also believe doing nothing solves nothing. At least this has a chance to make change, regardless of whether people agree that it's even worth it.

Sorta surprised no one actually brought up this:

http://www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html

That one telegraph article claiming a different situation in Uganda is an interesting take indeed though.

ITT: Flonne argues about morals.

Seriously though, I shared the video because I thought it was interesting and at the very least informative. I can't say I have an opinion either which way of whether this is the right or wrong thing to do, but I also believe doing nothing solves nothing. At least this has a chance to make change, regardless of whether people agree that it's even worth it.

That's the whole point. In this particular case, the view "doing something is better than nothing" is being debated. What will doing something do? Kony isn't really a threat to anyone right now, nor will he be in any foreseeable future. The video's problem is that it's not informative at all; it's spreading misinformation. The issues it portrays are old news.

Change is needed. That's a given. But the change that this campaign is going to bring about is not the change that is needed. Uganda doesn't need a stronger military, and Invisible Children doesn't need to be a bigger non-profit. What is needed is for Uganda to have a system in place to root out corruption in it's government and military. A organization who's campaign is to raise funds for that military is counter intuitive to that goal.

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Sorta surprised no one actually brought up this:

http://www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html

That one telegraph article claiming a different situation in Uganda is an interesting take indeed though.

Ok, some of that stuff I can agree with. But the fact remains that they decided to focus on the more militaristic approach rather than emphasize the work they do for local communities and education. They also focused on Uganda for god knows what reason, all the while, Uganda still doesn't have a present problem with the LRA.

Still stinks of fish to me. Just slightly more accountable fish.

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Sounds accurate to me.

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Sounds accurate to me.

...I think SOPA was a little more realistic and handled much more appropriately than this is, that's a very stretched comparison

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Sounds accurate to me.

It's actually pretty much the reverse. Most of everyone paid little attention to it until Wikipedia and Google intervened, and then it just exploded. This situation is that of everybody jumping on to it initially, but now some people are starting to keep their hands off it

It's actually pretty much the reverse. Most of everyone paid little attention to it until Wikipedia and Google intervened, and then it just exploded. This situation is that of everybody jumping on to it initially, but now some people are starting to keep their hands off it

My point was that it was handled and realistically could be handled. This can't be.

My point was that it was handled and realistically could be handled. This can't be.

Whoops, quoted the wrong person. My bad.

ITT: Flonne argues about morals.

Yes, because me being a pedophile automatically makes me a horrible person who has no moral fiber or notion of right or wrong. Clearly the fact that I've determined to never have sex due to that fact is immoral, and being too uncomfortable to even into public because I am psychologically damaged to the extent that I myself feel I don't deserve to be around kids because I've been brainwashed by people like you, is not punishment enough; I should also have to listen to the moral pedestaling of every person who is uncomfortable with my preference on the entire internet, too. That's totally fine, just dump everything on me without a second thought.



It takes a pretty long time for me to get genuinely angry at someone, but you've been nitpicking at me every chance you get for quite a while now, and it's getting old.

I mean the LRA hasn't been in Uganda for nearly a decade. What will giving money to the Ugandan government do at that point? There exists such a thing as sovereignty and national autonomy.

Wish I knew how much of that is actual truth.
In our case, and many other central and south american countries, we have a "sovereignty and national autonomy", however, only on paper.
As far as I know, there's no such thing as sovereignty and national autonomy in most third world countries.

Yes, because me being a pedophile automatically makes me a horrible person who has no moral fiber or notion of right or wrong. Clearly the fact that I've determined to never have sex due to that fact is immoral, and being too uncomfortable to even into public because I am psychologically damaged to the extent that I myself feel I don't deserve to be around kids because I've been brainwashed by people like you, is not punishment enough; I should also have to listen to the moral pedestaling of every person who is uncomfortable with my preference on the entire internet, too. That's totally fine, just dump everything on me without a second thought.

Don't be so tempting with your off-topic rants.

I'm sick and tired of the annoying rallies on 4/20 (worst day possible to do it), they're never going to happen and they're just ways for facebook whores to be "popular".
So, my cousin and I decided to mess with people.
Cue the Smoke Benefit Concert to Support The Homeless Children- KONY 2012.
Happening on 4/20.

Anyone in the triangle area who has annoying friends who are doing this KONY 2012 pomegranate is free to PM me with their names and have them invited.
So far, no one who isn't a pothead has figured it out. And they all can keep a secret.

IN WEST UGANDA, BORN N RAISED
ON THE BATTLEFIELD IS WHERE I SPENT MOST OF MY DAYS.
CHILLIN' OUT, MAXIN', RELOADIN' ALL COOL
AND TAKING SOME NIGLETS OUT OF THEIR SCHOOL

WHEN A COUPLE OF LIBERALS STARTED MAKING ME FRET
STARTED MAKING TROUBLE ON THE INTERNET
THEY STARTED ONE CAMPAIGN AND MY MEN GOT DEMANDED
THEY SAID YOU'RE MOVIN' WITH YOUR KIDS TO A BARRACKS IN SUDAN
I WHISTLED FOR A VEHICLE AND WHEN IT CAME NEAR
IT WAS A SCHOOL BUS WITH A BUNCH OF ARMED KIDS IN THE REAR
IF ANYTHING I COULD SAY THAT THIS BUS WAS RARE
BUT I THOUGHT NAH FORGET IT, YO KIDS WE'RE OUTTA HERE

I PULLED UP IN THE SUDAN BOUT 7 OR 8 AND I YELLED TO MUSEVENI 'UMAD SMELL YOU LATER'
LOOKED AT MY ARMY COMPOSED OF ALL OF MY HOMIES
TO SIT AT MY THRONE COS I'M JOSEPH FUCKING KONY

/ps

Yes, because me being a pedophile automatically makes me a horrible person who has no moral fiber or notion of right or wrong. Clearly the fact that I've determined to never have sex due to that fact is immoral, and being too uncomfortable to even into public because I am psychologically damaged to the extent that I myself feel I don't deserve to be around kids because I've been brainwashed by people like you, is not punishment enough; I should also have to listen to the moral pedestaling of every person who is uncomfortable with my preference on the entire internet, too. That's totally fine, just dump everything on me without a second thought.



It takes a pretty long time for me to get genuinely angry at someone, but you've been nitpicking at me every chance you get for quite a while now, and it's getting old.

It's okay, at least you're the bigger man and not cracking on him for being dumped. I know I would have.

[video=youtube;PGUPr9YhXa4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGUPr9YhXa4&list=UUhi9yxCMZ8PS3a-M4CGCC0g&index=1&feature=plcp[/video]

Pretty Much This

Pretty Much This

Sure, let's ignore that guy. that'll surely make things better.

I'm not going into the merchandise thing. But the idea is not to sell T-shirts. It's to make the guy famous, instead of one of those stupid copy-paste singers nobody should be caring about.

If there's a way to change things, is not to attack the guys with petrol to steal it. It's to help those who need it more. And Africa... Africa has the most twisted people you can ever imagine. And I'm not talking only about Kony. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

And don't sell me that stupid "Nothing will ever change". A hundred years ago, the world was nothing like it was today. And in a hundred years, it won't be like it is today. It's how we act what will trigger a way or the other.

/ps

ARE YOU READY KIDS?
AYE AYE, KONY!
I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
AYE AYE, KONY!!!
OHHHHHH...

WHO LIVES IN UGANDA AND OWNS A REGIME
JOSEPH KONY!
WHO CLAIMS HE SPOKE TO THE LORD GOD IN A DREAM?
JOSEPH KONY!
WHO STEALS THE KIDDIES AND ARMS THEM WITH GUNS?
JOSEPH KONY!
WHO TAKES ALL THE GIRLIES IN HIS HUT OF FUN?
JOSEPH KONY!

JOSEPH KONY
JOSEPH KONY
JOSEPH KONY
JOSEPH... KONY!

Why are there so many of these

It's funny because it went from SOPA -> Invisible Children -> Hate on Invisible Children. A bandwagon of hating the bandwagon.

It's funny because it went from SOPA -> Invisible Children -> Hate on Invisible Children. A bandwagon of hating the bandwagon.

Pretty weak observation. It's great to spread awareness, for something we've been dealing with for nearly two decades, really, it's completely necessary and appreciated!

...Then there's the people acting like this is a whole new epidemic, trying to do this or that, for a video posted 2 years ago. It was simply refreshed. Majority of it is front no substance.