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15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Snor - 2011-09-10
I'm wondering wether to buy a 15% LUK, three lined, Cape (for around 1.5b-2b) or two Dagger GM scrolls to throw on my Von Leon Dagger. The cape would give me around 120 LUK. The last calculations I knew were that 5 LUK was about 1 W.ATT for Thieves (this is from ages ago). Is this still the case or has it changed a lot?
To keep it simple. Would two GM Dagger scrolls (10 ATT) be a better investment rather than a 15% LUK Cape (120 LUK in my case)?
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - SaptaZapta - 2011-09-10
It depends on what your total w.att is now vs your total %luk.
The 15% is probably better, unless you already have a lot of %luk and your total w.att is really low.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - CarrionCrow - 2011-09-10
The supply of % stat capes are infinite, the GM scrolls are not.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Locked - 2011-09-10
Could use this, haven't used it but I'm guessing it works.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Snor - 2011-09-10
CarrionCrow Wrote:The supply of % stat capes are infinite, the GM scrolls are not.
Unless Nexon decides to go eMS and bring them back. They even mentioned that in a forum post that they're not sure if they're bringing it back (therefore there's a chance).
Locked Wrote:Could use this, haven't used it but I'm guessing it works.
"This is for comparing two of the SAME TYPE of equipment!"
Not sure if that's going to work.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - SaptaZapta - 2011-09-10
CarrionCrow Wrote:The supply of % stat capes are infinite, the GM scrolls are not.
<Looks at "scania forecast" thread> Are you sure they're not?
Anyway, if you want to consider other aspects than straight damage: the cape can be resold, or can be cubed to be even better. The scrolls, once used, are gone. The dagger may or may not retain their value, depending on what else you do with it.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Snor - 2011-09-10
SaptaZapta Wrote:<Looks at "scania forecast" thread> Are you sure they're not?
Anyway, if you want to consider other aspects than straight damage: the cape can be resold, or can be cubed to be even better. The scrolls, once used, are gone. The dagger may or may not retain their value, depending on what else you do with it.
I specifically chose for the Von Leon Dagger because it can be resold. I wouldn't want to use the scrolls on a Reverse or Timeless dagger, since it will be a waste if I decide to quit it. I'm not sure how the quantity is in El Nido, but I believe they're around 800m-1b each.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - JoeTang - 2011-09-10
How hard is it for people to post their stats
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Snor - 2011-09-10
JoeTang Wrote:How hard is it for people to post their stats
I'm not sure what you're trying to say when I said that I already calculated out how much LUK 15% for me is. I said it's around 120 LUK and I ask what better is; 10 ATT or 120 LUK nowadays.
A more simple answer to your comment; How hard is it for people to read the thread?
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Takebacker - 2011-09-10
Snor Wrote:I'm not sure what you're trying to say when I said that I already calculated out how much LUK 15% for me is. I said it's around 120 LUK and I ask what better is; 10 ATT or 120 LUK nowadays.
A more simple answer to your comment; How hard is it for people to read the thread?
The benefit from our perspective that 120 luck will have to you is the same as what 5 luck is because we don't know your stats.
These comparisons are not iron clad. They're individualized. Golden ratios don't exist. Tell us your stats if you actually want an answer.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Snor - 2011-09-10
Takebacker Wrote:The benefit from our perspective that 120 luck will have to you is the same as what 5 luck is because we don't know your stats.
These comparisons are not iron clad. They're individualized. Golden ratios don't exist. Tell us your stats if you actually want an answer.
Stats as in level? I don't see a reason to post any other stats besides my level and LUK. My level is currently 145.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Takebacker - 2011-09-10
What the f'uck?
What is your base luck, total luck, total attack including %, and % luck?
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Snor - 2011-09-10
Takebacker Wrote:What the f'uck?
What is your base luck, total luck, total attack including %, and % luck?
702 Base LUK, 1013 LUK total (including any % equips I have now). Range is 8950-12804 and a total of around 30% LUK.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - SaptaZapta - 2011-09-10
Let me try to explain why your stats matter.
If you currently have 0% LUK, a 15% LUK cape will give you a damage boost of about 15%.
However, if you already have 100% LUK on your other gear, a 15% LUK cape will only give you about 7.5% damage boost. (because of the way %stats are additive, refering only to base and numerical bonuses, not other %stat bonuses).
Similarly, if your current overall w.att is 100, an additional 10 attack will give you a 10% damage boost.
But if you current overall w.att is 200, an additional 10 attack will only give you 5% more damage.
So, in order to know how good each of these are for you, we must know how many %luk you already have, and how many total w.att you already have.
There is no fixed luk:w.att ratio, it varies by individuals.
If you don't want to tell us, that's cool. Work it out for yourself, based on the examples given above.
Edit: ok, so if you already have 30% LUK, an additional 15% will give you about 11.5% more damage.
Now, add up all your w.att (all your gear and all your regular buffs, including Blessing and any passive skills), and let's see how much 10 att adds to that.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Snor - 2011-09-10
SaptaZapta Wrote:Let me try to explain why your stats matter.
If you currently have 0% LUK, a 15% LUK cape will give you a damage boost of about 15%.
However, if you already have 100% LUK on your other gear, a 15% LUK cape will only give you about 7.5% damage boost. (because of the way %stats are additive, refering only to base and numerical bonuses, not other %stat bonuses).
Similarly, if your current overall w.att is 100, an additional 10 attack will give you a 10% damage boost.
But if you current overall w.att is 200, an additional 10 attack will only give you 5% more damage.
So, in order to know how good each of these are for you, we must know how many %luk you already have, and how many total w.att you already have.
There is no fixed luk:w.att ratio, it varies by individuals.
If you don't want to tell us, that's cool. Work it out for yourself, based on the examples given above.
Edit: ok, so if you already have 30% LUK, an additional 15% will give you about 11.5% more damage.
Now, add up all your w.att (all your gear and all your regular buffs, including Blessing and any passive skills), and let's see how much 10 att adds to that.
That's some cool Maple math \o/
I have 202 ATT from my gear if I calculated that right. Yay for clean weapons. According to your calculations, the cape would be a better investment for now?
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Locked - 2011-09-10
If you give me your total STR/DEX I'll figure it all out for you.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - SaptaZapta - 2011-09-10
Snor Wrote:That's some cool Maple math \o/
I have 202 ATT from my gear if I calculated that right. Yay for clean weapons. According to your calculations, the cape would be a better investment for now?
The cape would give you a bigger damage boost, yes. 11.5% for the cape vs. 5% for the dagger scrolls.
In terms of "investment" you'll have to talk to merchants about resale values, etc. I don't know a thing about that.
Also, if I may ask, what cape are you wearing now? If you have a PAC with a few attack on it, or something scrolled with more than a handful of LUK, might need to redo the math to include the damage lost when giving up the old cape.
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - yo72 - 2011-09-10
You should also buy two 9% items for 1/2 the price of the 15% and get some more luk
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - hongyu - 2011-09-10
CarrionCrow Wrote:The supply of % stat capes are infinite, the GM scrolls are not.
with dupers these days, it doesn't sound like we will be lacking supply for a while
15% LUK Cape or 10 ATT? - Snor - 2011-09-10
SaptaZapta Wrote:The cape would give you a bigger damage boost, yes. 11.5% for the cape vs. 5% for the dagger scrolls.
In terms of "investment" you'll have to talk to merchants about resale values, etc. I don't know a thing about that.
Also, if I may ask, what cape are you wearing now? If you have a PAC with a few attack on it, or something scrolled with more than a handful of LUK, might need to redo the math to include the damage lost when giving up the old cape.
I ignored the cape stats in my stats I wrote above, so that's all fine.