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Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - Erebus - 2011-05-25
This thread is meant to discuss with religious individuals (the non-religious are not bared from the discussion FYi) their view on their own religion. There are many different denominations of each religion, Christianity alone has over 30,000, and although some have just hair split sized differences they're enough of a difference to receive some kind of label, so they have some significance. With that in mind there comes an issue of "who's right". People who interpret certain writings in X way say people interpreting it in Y way are wrong and vice versa. Most religious text use unfalsifiable claims to justify themselves and/or disprove others and there's a lot of missing writings as well (Jehova's wife for example) so what may and may not be right may not be accurately determine with current interpretation (an example being you're asked to interpret a poem, then later being told there's at least a quarter of the poem missing so it may mean your interpretation is false). As well there's an issue of "convenience", some people just choose what to believe regardless of any proof from their religious text to back up what they say is right (ever see the mental gymnastics of a christian conservative trying to interpret the lesson of a rich man having a harder time getting into heaven then a camel going through the eye of a needle... it's worthy of an Olympic gold medal). Even the extremist have some reinforcement to their actions which is certainly a lot more then what can be said of some people.
With all that in mind I'm curious as to what, besides faith (I'm not saying it's not an answer, but it's the obvious one and I'm kind of hoping to get a "real" explanation), makes your particular religion, denomination, and/or practices seem right.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - KhainiWest - 2011-05-25
I think what you're asking for isn't really an answer that can be given. Most religious families see it more as a tradition if anything. There's not a right or wrong because they aren't introduced to the teachings of other religions. You aren't taught a religion to be right, I guess is the best way to put it.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - hadriel - 2011-05-25
Or rather, I'd put it this way. You are taught to believe in your faith. You are not taught to denounce other faiths.
Hadriel
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - Shidoshi - 2011-05-25
hadriel Wrote:Or rather, I'd put it this way. You are taught to believe in your faith. You are not taught to denounce other faiths.
Hadriel
That depends, some religions do say you should go out and convert people to your religion. However, I agree that most people are taught their religion and don't really choose it.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - hadriel - 2011-05-25
Well... I don't equate "denouncing" with "converting". Preaching and spreading the word of their faith is fine... though it does demand some tolerance from others. But denouncing another's faith is overboard imo.
Hadriel
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - iamflip - 2011-05-25
Shidoshi Wrote:However, I agree that most people are taught their religion and don't really choose it.
It's kinda like that when you're young. You grow up following what your family follows generally.
But people do have a choice eventually, starting usually when you get up to your teens.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - SaptaZapta - 2011-05-25
I think most people aren't even that aware of the differences between their flavor of their faith and others.
In America, from what I have observed, people often choose a church based on the congregation and the physical convenience of the location, rather than the fine details of belief.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - Moonlapse - 2011-05-25
Bono Wrote:You see, at the center of all religions is the idea of Karma. You know, what you put out comes back to you: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, or in physicsin physical lawsevery action is met by an equal or an opposite one. Its clear to me that Karma is at the very heart of the universe. Im absolutely sure of it. And yet, along comes this idea called Grace to upend all that as you sow, so you will reap stuff. Grace defies reason and logic. Love interrupts, if you like, the consequences of your actions, which in my case is very good news indeed, because Ive done a lot of stupid stuff.
I don't know if this is what makes Christianity necessarily "right". But this is what makes it unique and is what attracts me to it. In Christianity grace is at its center. If you believe you do not reap what you sow. And the only thing you have to do to get this grace is accept it.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - Panacea - 2011-05-26
I don't understand why one religion has to be "right".
Believe what you want. Follow in your family's footsteps, or stray from the path. Choose what you agree with and concern yourself not with those who want to say "I'm right, and you're wrong." There's no way to know besides having faith.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - octopusprime - 2011-05-26
*looks for satellite*
Oh maybe there isn't a disturbing ulterior motive to this thread... I guess i'll read.
Erebus Wrote:As well there's an issue of "convenience", some people just choose what to believe regardless of any proof from their religious text to back up what they say is right (ever see the mental gymnastics of a christian conservative trying to interpret the lesson of a rich man having a harder time getting into heaven then a camel going through the eye of a needle... it's worthy of an Olympic gold medal).
GAH, why this!? so out of the mood of the thread man. You're asking people to be open and then you dump a stereotype on their face. Conservative super-wealthy politicians are such a terrible example of anything.
Erebus Wrote:With all that in mind I'm curious as to what, besides faith (I'm not saying it's not an answer, but it's the obvious one and I'm kind of hoping to get a "real" explanation), makes your particular religion, denomination, and/or practices seem right.
This is basically the process I use to rule out religions as i examine them. I say rule out because thus far none of them have convinced or "convicted" me. So i'm agnostic because nothing has persuaded me so far.
Moonlapse Wrote:I don't know if this is what makes Christianity necessarily "right". But this is what makes it unique and is what attracts me to it. In Christianity grace is at its center. If you believe you do not reap what you sow. And the only thing you have to do to get this grace is accept it.
What you quoted reminds me of how bono is a pretentious douche more than anything.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - hadriel - 2011-05-26
^Be nice.
Hadriel
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - octopusprime - 2011-05-27
hadriel Wrote:^Be nice.
Hadriel
* condescending bitter tone*
Needlessly instruct me more.
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - VirgilDiablo - 2011-05-27
i grew up christian all my life and then around middle school i decided i didn't believe in God anymore. then around 10th grade i was born-again, i guess you could say. even though i (strongly) didn't believe, i went to youth groups with friends and listened and said "this all makes sense to me". it's unfortunate that i have to clarify these days what kind of christian i am, especially when it comes to a morality standpoint.
let me just start by saying that although it's worded as though i might be presenting these as facts, i'm not. it's purely my belief.
i don't believe doing any one thing sends you to hell. in fact i don't really believe in hell. not like we believe anyway. i believe what hell really is, is closer to what we would call purgatory or limbo. i mean i believe some parts of limbo are as we perceive hell. satan, judas, etc, i believe they've gotta be somewhere, at least imprisoned in some form. anyway, i don't debate whether things like being gay is a sin, i take the point where it doesn't matter if it's a sin or not. if it's not, mazel tov. if it does turn out to be a sin, well so does is working on the sabbath, and so is eating pork and touching pigs. etc. a sin is a sin, and they aren't measured against eachother. but Jesus died to forgive all of our sins. therefore if we atone for our sins before we die, we'll move on to heaven, after first atoning for any other sins in the limbo between earth and heaven. the main reason i don't believe in hell is because i don't believe that you would be condemned for all eternity in that way. if you can be cast out of heaven, then you can be brought back from hell. and following that logic, there's almost no reason for hell in the model we see it as.
i also believe that in the grand scheme of things, although i believe christianity to be the "true" denomination, i honestly doubt God would discriminate between the christians, the muslims, and the jews. after all, they all believe in the same God, and for example, even though they view Jesus only as a prophet and not the Son of God, the muslims still give him a title that translates to "Messiah from God". to be honest, i'm not sure God would really condemn anyone on the base of what they believe, as long as it wouldn't idolism (catholics worshipping the virgin mary? not sure how that fits in there) or just a general forsaking of God. buddhism, tao, etc seem to me like they would fall into a neutral category.
as far as the Bible goes, be it past parables or future prophecies, i believe in very little the Bible says actually occurred. the gospels of Jesus and of the disciples, things like that, that's what i believe happened properly. but not so much the parables.
i'm sorry if a lot of this is all over the place, i'm extremely tired
Religion: Denominations Interpretations and Conviences (Geared towards the religious) - KhainiWest - 2011-05-27
It's refreshing to see the more liberal side of the religious community. I kind of have the same thought process. I don't believe god created heaven or hell based on actions, sins, but did give us general guidelines to what is right and wrong. Now how much of it is distorted is entirely up in the air. People say "god's a hypocrite, God's this, God's that" and it irritates me because, if anything, it's man in the end who corrupted words, if not made them up.
Let's assume god is up there and works the universe like clockwork, using science, and were just slowly determining his tools, do you think he's that unreasonable to believe because you fall in love with the same sex, you are then deemed for hell? It's clearly a biological thing, so if anything it's god's fault. In my opinion, the reason that is in the bible is so that during that time, when condoms, birth control, or anything other than barebacking didn't exist, they had to put some type of responsibility in sex. So they put that if intercourse is used for pleasure only, it's a sin, which kind of makes sense considering the general rule of thumb is that too much of a good thing is bad. Homosexuals were, unnatural, and were not understood uring those times, therefore were "wrong". I don't believe god had this intention of discrimination, I don't believe he wanted to be worshiped, he just wanted people to understand, inflicting pain, emotionally and physically is a wrong.
I believe there's some type of, background power in the world, in the universe, whether it's god or "life energy", really doesn't matter too me. Or even if science run's itself, I believe there is more than just living to survive.