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Firefighters let house burn down - Kaasoljoyyx - 2010-10-06 Heard about this on news previews all day today and a friend found a video on it. Personally I find it really dumb and stupid -_- [video=youtube;dJyjNiL4zZg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJyjNiL4zZg&feature=player_embedded[/video] Edit: You can ignore the host guy talking about it, this was just the video my friend posted but my main point is the news section of the video. Firefighters let house burn down - MetaSeraphim - 2010-10-06 I couldn't stand watching this video because of the guy spouting bulls'hit. Firefighters let house burn down - Worthyness - 2010-10-06 THEY WILL CRRUSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOUUUUUUUUUUU I listened to the newcast, but the guy was just kinda unnecessarily, over-excessively violent (?) towards Republicans. But firefighters should've just put the damn fire out >.> How could they seriously think that the fire wouldn't spread any further than it already had? Isn't it the fire fighter's duty to put out the fire? It is their job... They could have easily just put the fire out and charged the guy up the yin yang. If they're going to make them pay, might as well not risk the fire spreading to other houses... Firefighters let house burn down - Kaasoljoyyx - 2010-10-06 Worthyness Wrote:THEY WILL CRRUSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOUUUUUUUUUUU I think they should have put it out, and then maybe just charge a fee/fine over $75. I'm really interested in the official statement that's going to be given out and how they try to justify this. Firefighters let house burn down - Beloved - 2010-10-06 Besides the fact that I'm in agreement that the 75$ or we leave ur house on fire is a load of bull.. Did anyone else find the rambling guy at the end super annoying? I gave up watching him rant. Firefighters let house burn down - Super_cyp - 2010-10-06 You have to pay for the services? o_O Man people are stupid and petty to not put out a fire and then watch it burn. That is pathetic. Firefighters let house burn down - SunnySis - 2010-10-06 Put the fire out, charge them the going rate for the cost of the personal and equipment used. Firefighters let house burn down - OB3LISK - 2010-10-06 Omg yeah ABC news showed this this morning. Firefighters let house burn down - Alloy - 2010-10-06 A true example of how human condition works. Firefighters let house burn down - OB3LISK - 2010-10-06 I don't understand though. The way they make it seem as if the house owners didn't pay their taxes, if everyone else paid. Firefighters let house burn down - Swerve - 2010-10-06 Obion County doesn't have their own firefighters or a plan to finance such a service, so they rely on firefighters from the city of South Fulton by paying them a fee which comes out to $75 per household. In the words of this politically slanted newscaster, I found the video to be "sickening." Yet not in the sense that the aforementioned posters are appalled with the interpretation they formed from the presentation. The newscaster cuts and edits explanations to give his viewers a limited understanding of the topic and to support his own position. Due to his egocentric obligation to promote his own ideology and to make his audience accept it, he has focused on bringing his own opinions to light and to skewer the news topic itself. Therefore leading to many posters in this thread to be confused and not quite sure of what occurred in this situation. It is ironic that the newscaster insists that the firefighters be "human beings," when he himself is a monster. A monster in the sense that his sole objective in the presentation was to blame Republicans, prioritize his own opinions, and to convince the audience. The means to achieve his goals was to use the Cranick's burned down home to express his ideology. While the Cranick's situation might touch us on a certain level, his job is to make money off of this situation and to produce profit off our emotional response. In Young Turk's own interpretation of humanism, it is would be more accurate to call him Young Thief as his job is to plunder what does not belong to him. Ignoring my strong distaste for "Young Turk" and his mindless sophistry, comes my even stronger distaste for "Young Turk" and his horrible attempts to turn this situation into a political dialogue. The issue doesn't come down to Republicans or Democrats. To be honest, the issue is that a guy's house burned down. If we wanted to look deeper, then this really comes down to an issue of choice. Obion County doesn't have a fire department (resource), therefore it gives its citizens the choice to pay an additional fee for obtaining firemen from another county. The problem with this set-up is that it places a certain degree of trust that individuals know what they are doing and take responsibility for their actions. Instead of setting up a tax where everyone has to pay, Obion County has empowered its citizens with the ability to determine whether fire insurance is an additional fee that they would like to finance, harkening back to colonial America and the inception of the fire department by Benjamin Franklin. Unfortunately, not everyone can always handle that responsibility as indicated by the video. Even though I disagree with "Young Turk" on many levels, I have to agree with him in one aspect. This is an important situation that affects the whole country. Situations like this justifies how the Legislative political body of America must create laws for the lowest common denominator of human error. It forms the basis for anti-laws to be created. Rules and regulations that are not formed to promote and empower the human condition, but rather to constrain it and hold its hand like a lost child because it cannot be trusted in its own regard. People cannot be trusted to even safeguard their own belongings and therefore a mandatory tax needs to be implemented so the government can force feed them and mandate that they be responsible for their own actions. As a result of this incidence, Obion County may force all citizens to now pay for firefighters. A service that fiscally conservative libertarians may not want as residents in the county, but have been forced to compensate as a result of the incompetence of one individual. Yet this is how laws are created. They are created to account for the lowest common denominator. When I first stumbled on this topic, I immediately thought of the Fountainhead. A book in which the main antagonist, Tooley, insists that everyone adopts a policy of forgiveness, understanding, and sympathy for one another. Tooley's real agenda by enforcing such principles is to turn the country into a mediocracy, rather than judge anyone by merit. If someone fails to do something correctly, then forgive them and insist that they try again. Ignore their incompetence and instead of having them take responsibility for their actions, simply forgive and forget. It seems that such a situation is prevalent in this thread, as many posters are insisting to forgive the Cranick's negligence. Perhaps there is a pervasive fear, "That could happen to me." Subsequently what better philosophy to endorse then being nice to everyone. For by being nice to all individuals, all individuals should be nice to you. Ironically the depth of this statement is an entirely selfish agenda, yet we are so fundamentally incompetent to view what is beyond the surface that we can only see the "nice side" in regards to any personality. I think that it is horrible that the Cranick's house burned down, but it happens. His consequence is a direct result of his actions and now the family must take responsibility. After all, if everyone offered to pay $75, only AFTER the fact that their own house is on fire, then that destroys the whole notion of paying for the insurance in the first place. You can't seek health insurance after getting into a horrible accident that rips off half your body and requires a multi-million dollar prosthetic surgery. Yes, firefighters should be available in each and every town to help each and every individual and should be subsidized by taxes. But that is not the case here, as this is not your ordinary town and for 20 years it has been acknowledged that firemen have been an insurance provision, rather than a born right. For Gene Cranick he believed he wasn't going to need the insurance and he was wrong. Now he has the reassurance of America. God bless. Firefighters let house burn down - Cactuar - 2010-10-06 I agree with everyone in this topic. Those men definitely should have risked their lives for a man who decided their lives or time aren't even worth $75. Oh, and news article on the story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/ Firefighters let house burn down - OB3LISK - 2010-10-06 Swerve Wrote:Obion County doesn't have their own firefighters or a plan to finance such a service, so they rely on firefighters from the city of South Fulton by paying them a fee which comes out to $75 per household. So you're saying people are too dumb to insure/protect themselves (as in paying for the fire fighters help tax), so the government must hold their hands and force them too. Firefighters let house burn down - Swerve - 2010-10-06 OB3LISK Wrote:So you're saying people are too dumb to insure/protect themselves (as in paying for the fire fighters help tax), so the government must hold their hands and force them too. No. That's how laws are created. For example, in New Jersey someone put a small television screen on their driver windshield and subsequently got into a horrible accident. Due to this action, nothing is legally allowed to be attached to the windshield, even though a lot of hand-held GPS systems are conveniently created to be placed on the windshield. Due to one person's mistake in placing an extravagant luxury device where it has not practical value, they have inhibited everyone else's ability to legally improve their functionality and ability to operate in society. Health care is an entirely separate issue that I haven't invested enough time to form an accurate opinion. Especially in a global sense, much less a personal sense. I'm simply stating how things ARE in the United States. The whole point of insurance is that you pay before you actually get into an accident. If you payed one-time for a life-long service the moment AFTER you got into a serious accident, then insurance companies would be out of business and unable to operate. For this town, the firefighters were a type of insurance service that they were OFFERED to pay. After 20 years, one mistake will probably lead to it being revised, even though it worked for everyone else for a prolonged amount of time. I could be entirely wrong. Perhaps the mayor will keep to the status quo. But with the city aware of the news situation, they will most likely ask for reform and for a tax system to be implemented to protect their homes in case their neighbors make a mistake out of neglect and their own homes suffer the consequences of a close fire. Firefighters let house burn down - Cyadd - 2010-10-06 [COLOR="Red"] Swerve Wrote:*snip* Yup. Basically. Though "sickening" the firefighters were only doing their job. The only reason they came out was because the neighbor called them out because the fire got on his lawn and he was paying the $75 annual fee. Sucks to be him, but the firefighters are not to blame, and neither is the county. [/COLOR] Firefighters let house burn down - Swerve - 2010-10-06 Finished writing my post. No more edits will be implemented. Firefighters let house burn down - dpeterlin - 2010-10-06 If it is how Swerve described (and I have no reason to doubt him) then the man kind of got what he had coming to him. There should be something in place to bill him for the full cost of putting out the fire, with that being absent I can't put any blame on the firefighters. If you break down and put it out then you just set a bad precedent. I'm a lot more curious to see how his insurance company is gonna rule on this. Perhaps throw down some negligence claims, I'm completely uneducated as far as homeowner's insurance goes so maybe I'm really far off base on what they might be able to do here. Firefighters let house burn down - Swerve - 2010-10-06 Thinking about how insurance will work out for him is interesting to consider. If he even has insurance in the first place. Firefighters let house burn down - Worthyness - 2010-10-06 I still think it should be the duty and priority of a firefighter to PUT OUT A FIRE, insurance or taxes or none at all. What is the damned point of just sitting there watching someone's house burn down when they're basicaly begging you to put out the fire? Seems so... Heartless. Firefighters let house burn down - OB3LISK - 2010-10-06 Worthyness Wrote:I still think it should be the duty and priority of a firefighter to PUT OUT A FIRE, insurance or taxes or none at all. What is the damned point of just sitting there watching someone's house burn down when they're basicaly begging you to put out the fire? Seems so... Heartless. Heartless yeah. Very very very heartless watching someone's posessions, their life burn to the ground, leaving them with nothing. Buttttt. You can't really blame them, they had to set a precedent. If they helped those people then why would anyone else bother paying for their service if they'd come do it for free? You can't really blame them. They have kids to feed. |