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Evan Skills by Type - Russt - 2009-12-03
Old version here. I decided to start a new thread for this because the old location was kind of buried.
Summary of changes:
KMST 1.2.270
KMST 1.2.272
KMST 1.2.273
GMS 0.84
Passives:
| Dragon Soul | +20 basic attack | 1st Mastery (10) | 20 points |
| Critical Magic | 30% chance of +50% damage | 6th Mastery (60) | 15 points |
| Magic Amplification | 180% MP use, 135% damage | 7th Mastery (80) | 15 points |
| Dragon Fury | +10% damage when MP is 50-80% | 8th Mastery (100) | 10 points |
| Magic Mastery | 90% mastery, +15 basic | 9th Mastery (120) | 30 points |
Self buffs:
| Magic Guard | 70% damage to MP | ~ | 3rd Mastery (30) | 20 points |
| Elemental Reset | 100% neutral reset | 1.92 sec | 4th Mastery (40) | 20 points |
| Magic Booster | -3 attack speed | 1.92 sec | 6th Mastery (60) | 15 points |
| Blessing of the Onyx | +100 WDEF/MDEF, +50 MATK, 60 secs, 120 cooldown | 2.16 sec | 10th Mastery (160) | 30 points |
Party buffs:
| Magic Shield | -30% damage, 20 secs, 40 cooldown | 2.16 sec | 5th Mastery (50) | 20 points |
| Magic Resistance | -20% magic damage | 1.92 sec | 7th Mastery (80) | 10 points |
| Recovery Aura | 80% MP Recov | 1.8 sec | 8th Mastery (100) | 15 points |
| Maple Hero | +15% all stats | 2.25 sec | 9th Mastery (120) | 30 points |
| Soul Stone | Auto-res 2 party members, 300 secs, 600 cooldown | 1.68 sec | 10th Mastery (160) | 20 points |
Single Targets:
| Magic Missile | 40 x2 | 0.81 sec | 1st Mastery (10) | 20 points |
| Lightning Bolt | 160 | 1.2 sec | 3rd Mastery (30) | 20 points |
| Magic Flare | 270 | 1.56 sec | 5th Mastery (50) | 20 points |
| Killer Wings | 320 + homing | 1.44 sec | 7th Mastery (80) | 20 points |
| Phantom Imprint | 380 + 5 secs extra damage | 1.62 sec | 8th Mastery (100) | 20 points |
| Illusion | 130 x4 | 2.01 sec | 9th Mastery (120) | 30 points |
Multiple Targets:
| Fire Circle | 55 x4 | 0.93 sec | Demon range | 2nd Mastery (20) | 20 points |
| Ice Breath | 120 x6 + chill | 0.81 sec | Demon range | 4th Mastery (40) | 20 points |
| Dragon Thrust | 160 x6 + kb | 1.71 sec | Curtain range | 6th Mastery (60) | 20 points |
| Fire Breath | 180 x6, charge | 0.99 sec | Curtain range | 7th Mastery (80) | 20 points |
| Earthquake | 250 x8 | 1.71 sec | [post=340982]this[/post] range | 8th Mastery (100) | 20 points |
| Flame Wheel | 300 x6 | 1.8 sec | long forward range | 9th Mastery (120) | 30 points |
| Blaze | 330 x6 | 1.32 sec | Chain Lightning range | 10th Mastery (160) | 30 points |
| Dark Fog | 750 x15, 20 sec cooldown | 3.06 sec | Ultimate, no down range | 10th Mastery (160) | 30 points |
Misc:
| Teleport | 150 distance | ~ | 2nd Mastery (20) | 20 points |
| Slow | -40 speed at 60% chance | 1.8 sec | 6th Mastery (60) | 15 points |
| Awakening | Escape status ailments | 2.04 sec | 9th Mastery (120) | 5 points |
Evan Skills by Type - Moonlapse - 2009-12-03
Anyone know if ghost lettering works on bosses?
Evan Skills by Type - Goals - 2009-12-03
Wow only 20 second cooldown for Dark Fog. Awesome!!
Evan Skills by Type - Bribery - 2009-12-03
How much faster are the attacks with the new +3 booster? Because without booster, Blaze and Illusion are still weaker than Paralyze in terms of DPS.
Evan Skills by Type - Lumancer - 2009-12-03
Are we sure that the skill books are received at levels 10, 15, 20, etc., and not at
10 → 20 → 30 → 40 → 50 → 60 → 80 → 100 → 120 → 160 as Spadow reported?
Given some of the vids I've seen, it doesn't seem like any level 120ish Evans are using Dark Fog or the other 10th advancement skills...
Evan Skills by Type - JoeTang - 2009-12-03
Lumancer Wrote:Are we sure that the skill books are received at levels 10, 15, 20, etc., and not at
10 → 20 → 30 → 40 → 50 → 60 → 80 → 100 → 120 → 160 as Spadow reported?
Given some of the vids I've seen, it doesn't seem like any level 120ish Evans are using Dark Fog or the other 10th advancement skills...
These master levels actually make more sense, in terms of earning the actual skills (i.e. having enough skill points to spread around) as well as balance. 9th Master should be at 120, otherwise they'd be getting Maple Hero earlier than every other class, etc.
It also explains why fairly high leveled Evan are not shown to be using any Blaze despite its power up.
Evan Skills by Type - FrozNlite - 2009-12-03
Bribery Wrote:How much faster are the attacks with the new +3 booster? Because without booster, Blaze and Illusion are still weaker than Paralyze in terms of DPS.
I was going to post exactly this. I'm sure with Booster the DPS beats Paralyze just after after watching the one video on the other thread, but I think many of us are curious as to the exact cast speeds. Especially if they're around Paralyze's 11+ Booster cast speed of 0.714 seconds, which would make comparisons that much easier.
Evan Skills by Type - Russt - 2009-12-03
The cast times up there are without Booster. -3 Booster should mean the delay is shortened by a factor of 13/16, most likely.
Evan Skills by Type - 2147483647 - 2009-12-03
Damage per minute, averaged (meaning mastery was applied)
Evan with AMP + Critical + Fury
| Skill | Without Booster | With Booster |
|---|---|---|
| Blaze on Single Target | 24864 | 30602 |
| Illusion | 25730 | 31668 |
Mage with AMP
| Skill | Booster |
|---|---|
| Paralyze | 19757 |
| Chain Lightning | 17741 |
Note that I didn't count the basic attack buffs because someone told me that Soul Dragon and Magic Mastery add magic attack, not the base attack on each skill.
With the above charts, Illusion is only 60% stronger than Paralyze if both mages have no elemental weapons and same stats. If we count elemental weapon, then Illusion is only 28% stronger. Blaze would then be the strongest skill on an Evan because Illusion is a neutral skill. Blaze would only be 55% stronger than Paralyze.
I'm not even sure if Blaze would be affected by Elemental weapons, because it's a summon doing your work and not you. If the Evan's dragon works the same way all the other current summons in the game do, then Elemental weapons would not work on an Evan.
So if EW work on Evan, they're 55% stronger. If EW don't work on Evan, they're only 24% stronger.
That's hardly an improvement. It's an improvement, but not enough that an Evan can compare with the other nonmage Adventurers at DPM. You'd have to pretty much double the single target damage of an Adventurer mage to do that, and even then, the damage wouldn't come close to Aran's damage. And with a nonspammable ultimate, Evan are weaker at mobbing than Adventurer mages are. GG.
At least they didn't completely trump the mage class like they trumped the warrior classes with Aran.
Evan Skills by Type - Bribery - 2009-12-04
^ Don't forget Blaze and Sharp Eyes.
Posted by Russt in the other thread:
Russt Wrote:QuotesHm. I feel like I need to clear up some things.
1) Blaze was barely improved in this update, with only 10 more base attack (320->330) and no speed change.
2) The more hits = crittability issue only applies to weapon classes, as has been stated; with mages, critical affects everything equally. Therefore, Illusion does not crit better than Blaze. It's true that there will be more crits with Illusion, if you're just counting them, but when Blaze does crit, it crits hard. Look at the Flame Wheel numbers; they'll be slightly higher than that.
3) There is most likely no 10 base attack boost, according to JoeTang's investigation of the Korean characters used to represent "basic attack" and "magic attack".
Keeping this in mind, here's your comparison.
Critical Magic is 1 + 0.25 * 0.7 = 1.175x multiplier
SE alone is 1 + 0.15 * 0.4 = 1.06x multiplier
CM + SE is 1 + 0.4 * 1.1 = 1.44x multiplier
Base Attack * Amp * Critical / (Cast time * Booster coefficient) = final total power
Paralyze + EWand: 210 * 1.4 * 1 / (0.8 * 14/16) * 1.25 = 525.0 BA/sec
Illusion: (130 * 4) * 1.35 * 1.175 / (2.01 * 13/16) = 505.1 BA/sec
Blaze: 330 * 1.35 * 1.175 / (1.32 * 13/16) = 488.1 BA/sec
Blaze + Ewand Fire: 488.1 * 1.25 = 610.0 BA/sec
Paralyze + SE + Ewand Poison: 445.2 * 1.25 = 556.5 BA/sec
Illusion + SE: (130 * 4) * 1.35 * 1.44 / (2.01 * 13/16) = 619.0 BA/sec
Blaze + SE: 330 * 1.35 * 1.44 / (1.32 * 13/16) = 598.2 BA/sec
Blaze + SE + Ewand Fire: 598.2 * 1.25 = 747.7 BA/sec
And I don't think Russt included Fury in his calculations.
Evan Skills by Type - 2147483647 - 2009-12-04
Bribery Wrote:^ Don't forget Blaze and Sharp Eyes.Hmm...
Sharp eyes is 6% DPS improvement for Adventurer Mages. If the 15% critical rate is added onto Evan's critical rate, that means that Evan get a 144% improvement in DPS vs. 117.5% improvement in DPS.
So:
Evan with AMP + Critical + Fury + SE
| Skill | Without Booster | With Booster |
|---|---|---|
| Blaze on Single Target | 30472 | 37504 |
| Illusion | 31533 | 38810 |
Mage with AMP + SE
| Skill | Booster |
|---|---|
| Paralyze | 20942 |
| Chain Lightning | 18805 |
Illusion is 48% stronger if Adventurer Mage has an EW. If the Evan has an EW too and it works, then Blaze would be stronger by 79%. If the EW doesn't work on Evan, then Evan is only 43% stronger.
So Evan are only competent with SE.
Evan Skills by Type - Russt - 2009-12-04
Hm you get a larger difference than I do, even factoring in Fury. I'm not exactly sure what I did there.
Edit: Oh, it's the 90% mastery. Duh.
Also, as for the thread, I've put in the supposedly correct class mastery levels.
Evan Skills by Type - Fiel - 2009-12-04
Lop off 90 ms from dragonIceBreathe - changed in 1.2.272
Evan Skills by Type - Russt - 2009-12-04
Looks like they're at the fine tuning stage now.
Evan Skills by Type - Bribery - 2009-12-06
According to Spadow, Evan's Amp is only +120%. Huge hit to their single target dps.
Evan Skills by Type - Fiel - 2009-12-06
It's 135%. Anyone who says otherwise isn't reading the data.
Evan Skills by Type - Bribery - 2009-12-06
Fiel Wrote:It's 135%. Anyone who says otherwise isn't reading the data.
Thank god. What about the skills that add basic attack? Are they actually boosting spell base damage or is it just matk?
Evan Skills by Type - ¥-Striker-¥ - 2009-12-10
Please be BASE ATTACK!!
Evan Skills by Type - Bribery - 2009-12-26
Russt Wrote:Passives:
Soul Dragon +20 basic attack 1st Mastery (10) 20 points Critical Magic 35% chance of +50% damage 6th Mastery (60) 15 points Magic Amplification 180% MP use, 135% damage 7th Mastery (80) 15 points Dragon Fury +10% damage when MP is 50-80% 8th Mastery (100) 10 points Magic Mastery 90% mastery, +15 basic 9th Mastery (120) 30 points
Isn't their Critical 30% probability, not 35%?
Also any confirmation on whether Soul Dragon/Magic Mastery add basic attack or spell damage?
Evan Skills by Type - Russt - 2009-12-26
It was 25% before, right?
My bad, then. Evidently I can't add 5 to 25.