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Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - LightElf7 - 2009-08-23

I know there are supposed to be pros and cons for each class...but from the stuff I see in youtube (like the koc against the Black Magician) otherclasses almost always consistently do above 10k damage, whilst the Blaze Magician does only around 5-6k.

Is the rumor that BMs are strong at first in lower levels up to level 40 or so but then fall behind the others?


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - Dusk - 2009-08-23

Well duh, they don't even have a 1v1 attacking skill. If you're going to compare 1v1 damage, mages never win.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - ¥-Striker-¥ - 2009-08-24

You want see over 5k-6k damage when fighting Black Magician?
Spam Meteor.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - Greg22 - 2009-08-24

Fire Curtain makes up for their lack of single target skills (Not like mages were ever good bossers); after level 70 they level literally twice as fast as all other Cygnuses.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - TLX - 2009-08-24

Blaze wizard isn't a useful job; their damage is trash. They are good at nothing but leveling. I don't see any reason to make a blaze wizard unless all you care about is the 12atk buff; I think a F/P is superior to a BW in every possible way.

If you actually are going to play your KoC after 120, you won't be training... but BW are only good at training.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - Chuey - 2009-08-24

TLX Wrote:Blaze wizard isn't a useful job; their damage is trash.
It depends on the scenario. Mages aren't exactly meant to be fighting things 1 on 1.

TLX Wrote:They are good at nothing but leveling.

More than half the game IS grinding.

TLX Wrote:I don't see any reason to make a blaze wizard unless all you care about is the 12atk buff
I wonder why just about every KoC in Ereve's hall of fame was leeched...

TLX Wrote:I think a F/P is superior to a BW in every possible way.
Too bad your opinion won't be affecting the millions of people in North America or any other continent that play this online game.... Shame, right?

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Thought I'd post some thoughts.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - Cyanne - 2009-08-24

Well, in terms of general hunting, they didn't really think it through either. Seal's range is shorter than fire strike's, and fire strike is horizontal and doesn't freeze.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - TLX - 2009-08-24

Chuey Wrote:It depends on the scenario. Mages aren't exactly meant to be fighting things 1 on 1.
What else do you do at max level besides bossing?

Chuey Wrote:More than half the game IS grinding.
Not for a KoC. If you didn't notice, they cap at 120. Going to keep grinding when you get 0 exp per kill?

Chuey Wrote:I wonder why just about every KoC in Ereve's hall of fame was leeched...
How does that have ANY relevance to what I said? Leeching is more efficient than training, but that has NOTHING to do with the fact that BW are not a useful class at 120.

Chuey Wrote:Too bad your opinion won't be affecting the millions of people in North America or any other continent that play this online game.... Shame, right?
At least my opinion is based on solid facts, unlike yours.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - Chuey - 2009-08-24

TLX Wrote:What else do you do at max level besides bossing?
Have fun? Make another character? Go ask all the 200s that still play what the heck they do. They'll say bossing among most things, and mages might not be the most able to fight bosses, but they have every effing right to fight whatever boss they want.

TLX Wrote:Not for a KoC. If you didn't notice, they cap at 120. Going to keep grinding when you get 0 exp per kill?
You're right. The whole game is pretty much grinding. Except for a few party quests, all you do is mash buttons at one monster, then progress to another a few levels later. That's how it is for adventurers, that's how it is for Arans, how come it's not for Cygnuses. I'm curious.


TLX Wrote:How does that have ANY relevance to what I said? Leeching is more efficient than training, but that has NOTHING to do with the fact that BW are not a useful class at 120.
Sorry, kind of made a misinterpretation. Anyway, people make blaze wizards to have FUN. Why did you make whatever character you made? To go jump off Perion's cliff to die from fall damage? Probably not. (my friends and I would do that in low levels though sometimes, lol) The game isn't a competition or anything, it's played to be enjoyed. Who cares about damage? Who cares about a level cap? If that's all you're after, then I guess we have two COMPLETELY different views on gaming in general.


TLX Wrote:At least my opinion is based on solid facts, unlike yours.
...I didn't mean to attack you, excuse me. Okay, fine, I used a rude tone in my words, but I wasn't going after you directly. Goodness. I can't do anything right on this site.

Time for me to get out of this thread.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - TLX - 2009-08-24

Chuey Wrote:Have fun? Make another character? Go ask all the 200s that still play what the heck they do. They'll say bossing among most things, and mages might not be the most able to fight bosses, but they have every effing right to fight whatever boss they want.
My I/L doesn't even get invited to boss runs and I am almost 190. You think anyone will want a piece of crap 120 blaze wizard at HT/zak/PB? Not even pap or pianus.

Chuey Wrote:You're right. The whole game is pretty much grinding. Except for a few party quests, all you do is mash buttons at one monster, then progress to another a few levels later. That's how it is for adventurers, that's how it is for Arans, how come it's not for Cygnuses. I'm curious.
Because the game STARTS for cygnus knights at 120.

Chuey Wrote:Sorry, kind of made a misinterpretation. Anyway, people make blaze wizards to have FUN. Why did you make whatever character you made? To go jump off Perion's cliff to die from fall damage? Probably not. (my friends and I would do that in low levels though sometimes, lol) The game isn't a competition or anything, it's played to be enjoyed. Who cares about damage? Who cares about a level cap? If that's all you're after, then I guess we have two COMPLETELY different views on gaming in general.
What can you do for fun when your character is useless at everything besides training (which isn't an option since you are max level)? Why should anyone make a BW for "fun" when they can make a F/P instead. How is being weaker more fun? A F/P can do everything a BW can do. But more efficiently.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - btbam - 2009-08-25

Actually, the game ENDS at 120 for cygnuses. Cygnuses are made for people who want to try something new which levels faster. You also have to realise not everyone plays maple as much as you so they do not get to the stage in which a FP will be better than a BW. You have to admit that at 120, BWs are better than FPs.

I'm interested to hear why you think cygnuses start at 120. I see them more as a fun character for a slow leveller and a handy 12atk buff.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - modular - 2009-08-25

TLX Wrote:Because the game STARTS for cygnus knights at 120.


What can you do for fun when your character is useless at everything besides training (which isn't an option since you are max level)? Why should anyone make a BW for "fun" when they can make a F/P instead. How is being weaker more fun? A F/P can do everything a BW can do. But more efficiently.

heres why youre wrong:

a 120 cygnus = game over because youre too low to do any major bosses except pianus and pap and you cant level any more.

people make bw's for fun because fp's dont provide a 12 att boost to an adventurer. the bw levels fastest of the buff providers. fp's dont have a major use beyond 120 except that they CAN level, but that isnt what people want; they want more attack for their main, not a way to leech it for high expenses.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - Devil - 2009-08-25

modular Wrote:heres why youre wrong:

a 120 cygnus = game over because youre too low to do any major bosses except pianus and pap and you cant level any more.

people make bw's for fun because fp's dont provide a 12 att boost to an adventurer. the bw levels fastest of the buff providers. fp's dont have a major use beyond 120 except that they CAN level, but that isnt what people want; they want more attack for their main, not a way to leech it for high expenses.
Cygnus = every boss except the i.m.o. boring HT & PB 3-hour-button-pushing-static-boss fights... Not that much of a loss...

And a smart Cygnus can take on any boss up to Zak, and even survive and do some damage at (the i.m.o. still boring) HT when they're even smarter and know how to make a proper Cygnus build! Smile


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - Dusk - 2009-08-25

Devil Wrote:Cygnus = every boss except the i.m.o. boring HT & PB 3-hour-button-pushing-static-boss fights... Not that much of a loss...

And a smart Cygnus can take on any boss up to Zak, and even survive and do some damage at (the i.m.o. still boring) HT when they're even smarter and know how to make a proper Cygnus build! Smile

lolwut

Cygnus can fight Zak, but they'll only be just as useful as any 12x adventurer. They can't do shet vs. HT.

4th job > Cygnus


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - KhainiWest - 2009-08-25

You guys are comparing a class litterally nothing more than an attack potion that has a lil more work and a boss mule for pap and zak. Or even an apq mule.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - LightElf7 - 2009-08-25

TLX Wrote:My I/L doesn't even get invited to boss runs and I am almost 190. You think anyone will want a piece of crap 120 blaze wizard at HT/zak/PB? Not even pap or pianus.


Because the game STARTS for cygnus knights at 120.


What can you do for fun when your character is useless at everything besides training (which isn't an option since you are max level)? Why should anyone make a BW for "fun" when they can make a F/P instead. How is being weaker more fun? A F/P can do everything a BW can do. But more efficiently.

I've noticed on this forum that you seem to harbor some extreme dislike towards the Magician class. I saw another thread where all your responses were always negative regarding a mage. You always sound so harsh when commenting on anything related to mages...

Besides, the point of maplestory is to have fun, and playing as a mage can be rlly fun with all that magic and whatnot. If you rlly dislike the class then I dont see why you even spent time leveling your IL up to 190. Just switch to a different class.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - TFindlay - 2009-08-25

I'm not sure anybody plays the game just to grind... MS isn't one of those "it's about the journey, not the destination" kind of games.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - cronnoponno - 2009-08-25

I'm suprised people think BW is fun, I mean they're just button mashers. Well, I know you're gonna say every class is a button masher, but....blaze wizards are just extreme...extreeeeeme...button mashers..


but that goes with all mages.

ULTIMATE ULTIMATE ULTIMATE lol look at my leveling this is sooo fun ULTIMATE ULTIMATE ULTIMATE.


OH well.


But, in defense to BW, doesn't their fire cloud work on boss monsters? If so, wouldn't that make them insane bossers? Plus BW are probably the most fun out of all the mage branches.

In terms of training, they're the strongest.

In the aftermath, they're obviously the weakest.

It just depends on what you prefer I suppose.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - Phat Philly Boy - 2009-10-29

cronnoponno Wrote:But, in defense to BW, doesn't their fire cloud work on boss monsters? If so, wouldn't that make them insane bossers? Plus BW are probably the most fun out of all the mage branches.

SEAL - Seals up the enemies around you for a certain amount of time. Once sealed up, the monsters can't use attacking skills, but the skill does not work on boss monsters.


Blaze Magician the weakest koc??? - TøbiasBlack - 2009-10-29

blaze wizards are the most pathetic of the knights. they have a weakened meteor, so their leeching potential is already a moot argument, as who would want to leech from a koc when a bishop is more readily available? and even with MG, theyre still a mage class, so bossing for them is already a bad idea, as across the board mages are lacking in bossing ability.

sure they may be fun up to 120, but once you reach the zenith, theres no downward crescendo, its a straight plummet.