Bribery Wrote:No, I actually love the Magician class. However, Mages don't have any end-game content to look forward to. Evans aren't that useful either, except maybe at Pink Bean. I'm just mad at how half-assed Evans are after seeing Dual Blades and Arans. I was really looking forward to what Nexon had in store for the Mage hero. They gave us a regular Magician with a Dragon that is no different from a CS item.

As for Dual Blader's HP, it isn't as bad as it was initially in KMST. Their HP is similar to Buccaneers and Arans, and they have very good invincibility frames.

Asumi Wrote:If this is true ill definitely make one of those O_O.

Atruya Wrote:Which is rather pointless, unless someone comes in here who has actually played Evan. And tubevids are pointless as well, since they can be misleading and don't cover the situation as it will be in GMS.

Let's wait till they are here and thén discuss them.

cleric1213 Wrote:-lets ruin every1's hopes and dreams-

DUAL BLADERS HAVE THE SAME LOL LOW HP AS THIEFS UNLESS U HP WASH

seriously guys stop making assumptions off a screenshot, a lvl2x dual blader has 700+ hp, because they get an mp/hp boost at the lvl20 job advancement, however they get no boost at any other advancements and their hp gain is as low as other thiefs

solarboy Wrote:Lol you are mad.

What I meant, is that I want to feel that I achieved something that not so much ppl could do, like getting a cleric to lv 70 in the old days, that was PAIN

Now tell me what would make you feel better?

Run 10 Kilometers with a shoe that makes you go as fast as a car without making you feel tired
or
Run 5 Kilometers normaly

ClawofBeta Wrote:Goddamm, put your entire argument into one post, not parts of it into the quote where I confuse it with the bolded stuff.

Dude. The dragon is new. There is no other goddamm thing in the game which attacks for you when you press a button. Shadow Partner just copies your moves. And comparing it to Cash Shop weapons? You realize it takes a bit to realize the range limit of the dragon, as it attacks from behind you? That's what Hazzy was complaining about. On Cash shop weapons, just put it on, and BOOM, you're used to it. Even if you guys insist that the dragon isn't new, then who would I frigging care? Does every new class need to add something new to the game? No. Jesus Christ, I don't get why I have to argue with everyone about this.

Yes there is, it's called the ''my buddy DJ'' cash shop weapon, and the other ''friend'' cash shop items. Or the animal cash shop items, it's the SAME thing, the dragon can barely move away from the Evans path, and you're the one basically doing the attacking, that was my point. I don't know why you think this is unique, but it really doesn't feel unique to me. Trying to master an attack range on a mage class is also easy, well I guess that might be different for me since I use an AM, but I've never had any problems trying to master the range of my skills, and I seriously(I'll even challenge the fact) doubt that I would have trouble aiming with Evans attacks. Who's to say that the Evans attacks appear from behind it, and the dragon just covers up some empty portal that appears and spews out the attack? Well of course that's a stupid question, but I hope that helps you understand what I'm trying to say.

Dual Blade...I'm arguing that it didn't introduce something unique. Yes, I know it has overpowered damage. Yes, I know they have a lot of mobility. But so do another class....assassins. You could argue they have more damage, and more mobility, but that doesn't mean the concept is new. It just means that Nexon built on the idea.

This is what I was trying to say, so we're on terms here.

And Evan's Magic Resistance has no cooldown. It is god. It means less HP washing for some folks at Pink Bean, Horntail, and Zakum. And yes, everyone would rather have a bishop in their party than an Evan. Even I do. But that's their niche in the game. Support skills for everyone who doesn't want to waste money on Nexon. Plus, they do quite more damage than a Bishop on single monsters with no resistances or weaknesses.
But still, is it worth sacrificing a party member? First you need your DK, then you need a priest, then you need an archer for sharp eyes, then you need an attacker so the sharp eyes buff isn't wasted, ect.
Now to your actual post.

[B]But Evan can do better mob damage with flame wheel than AM's!

Where the pineapple did I, or anyone, say that? That made your entire first paragraph useless. AM's niche is to do godly mob damage. Evans suck compared to them against mobs, period.
I misread something you said, that's my fault, sorry about that.
Last, digging up dirt? Ptff. I'm just stating the facts.

solarboy Wrote:Lol you are mad.

What I meant, is that I want to feel that I achieved something that not so much ppl could do, like getting a cleric to lv 70 in the old days, that was PAIN

Now tell me what would make you feel better?

Run 10 Kilometers with a shoe that makes you go as fast as a car without making you feel tired
or
Run 5 Kilometers normaly

King Wrote:Fail analogy is fail...I do not see your point at all

if my objective is to go 10 kilometers of course I would take the easy route, so will everyone else

WayOfTime Wrote:But the point he is making is the sence of ACCOMPLISHMENT, not the actual task that is being performed. Training a cleric to 70 back then was like getting to 120 on a preist now: it was a lot harder back then, but you got a good feeling when people said "wow, you're a priest?!?" Now, people just say "wow, another bishop..."

ClawofBeta Wrote:He still refuses to make a high leveled perma beginner, though, which is a huge accomplishment.

ClawofBeta Wrote:He still refuses to make a high leveled perma beginner, though, which is a huge accomplishment.

King Wrote:agreed

I think this solarboy needs to think twice before he post next time so he can make himself look less like an idiot

cronnoponno Wrote:The only thing that seems desirable for an Evan is magic resistance, and even then, it wouldn't be necessary for anything but pink bean(although it will most likely be the godliest lifesaver in neo tokyo if we ever get it), the rest of their skills, while unique(I agree with that), are only mediocre. Their niche is what makes them an overall useless class in the larger scale of maplestory. They have some support skills, but dont' excell in it. So a bishop will almost always overule them in that. They have more attack on single target mobs than mages, as well as the ability to reset their element, but that doesn't do much because attackers can easily out-damage them still. They can max all of their skills, but that doesn't do much if their skills lack in anything excelling. If killing wing works on bosses, then what I say is completely null and void, as this would obviously make Evans the most kickass class for bossing as we know it, they also could justify it working on a boss, because arans can apparantly freeze a boss with tempest so they should be able to inflict status effects on them.(the same goes with ghost lettering)

Onyx blessing is a good skill, but it only works for magic attack, for 60 seconds, and doesn't compare to an onyx apple(unless it stacks).

How can you compare an ITEM with a SKILL?

Evans just sound like they're ''decent'' in every single feat in maplestory, but as cool as this sounds on paper, in reality this is their biggest downfall. The only thing that makes the Evan worth playing would be their magical resistance skill, and that's IF you get lucky enough to manage a PB battle, and the only partys that aren't already good enough to beat pink bean without some sort of defense will obviously be a mediocre party themselves, and your chances of meeting inexperienced parties will be even higher.

A mage at low 13x hitting a single mob for 90k isn't useful?

So, Evans are fun, that's the best thing to them. They are mages that are incredibly exciting and fun, their attacks feel pretty new, they have such a large variety of attacks, but I could care less about the dragon, if anything I'd rather the dragon wasn't there and my character would just cast the spells himself, because the dragon doesn't even look that cool to me(but it's not bad).


Well in any case, any class can be argued to be ''useful'', but we'll see how ''useful'' Evan is when they're never invited to any HT runs or Zakum runs, and all the Evans will be doomed to the same life AM's are doomed to exist, I guarantee you it will end up this way.

The only way this will happen if biased people like you are running the squads.

cronnoponno Wrote:Onyx blessing is a good skill, but it only works for magic attack, for 60 seconds, and doesn't compare to an onyx apple(unless it stacks).

cronnoponno Wrote:Well in any case, any class can be argued to be ''useful'', but we'll see how ''useful'' Evan is when they're never invited to any HT runs or Zakum runs, and all the Evans will be doomed to the same life AM's are doomed to exist, I guarantee you it will end up this way.

cronnoponno Wrote:It still depresses me to this very day that people play this game for the feeling of ''accomplishment''. I play it for fun, I happen to find 4th jobs more fun than 2nd jobs. So I would rather take the quickest route to get there. Although some people find achieving that sense of accomplishment fun, others don't. Dual blade will be awesome, even if it does level every 2 minutes.
If I want a feeling of accomplishment, I'd do something far more productive than taking the slowest possible, masochistic route in a video game in order to level my pixel avatar.

I have nothing against people leeching their Evans, go do that if it makes you happy.

Erich Wrote:The way you were posting earlier, you were not talking like you play for fun. You were treating evan like a bad business deal. How can something prove itself to have a far better role if it isn't even given a chance before it is even RELEASED? Evan isn't a waste of time, nor a slow leveler.