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Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - kayeyearekay - 2014-03-09
casinos are required by nevada gaming commission to pay out (up to ~90) for "Slot Machines" as example of returns. the minimum profit the house gets each day of operation, per slot machine, is at least 10% of the money put in.
then you get into the fine print of the "rigged" if a machine turns "cold" (un-used for 4mins) the casino can reset the payout.
Its actually pretty interesting reading into gambling laws/requirements; since maple's down.... google a link ^_^
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - KhainiWest - 2014-03-09
Question Wrote:I know y last miracle time is better....
Super cube rate is 4% last miracle time.... ofc most ppl would have better getting legendary...
this time red cube miracle time is 2% ofc I expect this run to be horrible
alright im done chating here... in my mind you can say what you want I still believe it just a unlucky run... and again I expect the next miracle time will be the same result as today unless nexon increase the rate of the cubes
You went with point 2 then claim its based on unlucky circumstances. That's illogical
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Marksman Bryan - 2014-03-09
qtpie Wrote:maybe we can all reveal this issue by having someone use enough cubes (i say 2000 is good enough) to figure out the probability of tiering up using binomial distribution. Then we can see how greatly miracle time affects normal cubes.
good idea!
gift me the cubes and I'll do the math
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Question - 2014-03-09
KhainiWest Wrote:You went with point 2 then claim its based on unlucky circumstances. That's illogical
say what you want... but in my mind anything that has probability in it... to me it just a unlucky run...
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - KhainiWest - 2014-03-09
Question Wrote:say what you want... but in my mind anything that has probability in it... to me it just a unlucky run...
Anything that has probability huh. When you use the adjective "unlucky" it means the person failed even though the probability was even or in their favor. When the probability is naturally stacked against you, it's not "unlucky" it's "expected". However the miracle time was "expected", to be in your favor, when the probability of just the responses, presumes that this was a fallacy. Unlike the previous miracle time which was in fact in your favor. And as you have elaborated the cubes base rate made it unfavorable odds, in an event that in the past has altered the rates to give us favorable odds.
So the expectation was an event to give us cubing results in our favor, yet as you and so many people pointed out, they took an event with that reputation and used cubes that were not in our favor. So the word "unlucky" is the completely wrong adjective to even use to begin with.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Jazeon - 2014-03-09
Marksman Bryan Wrote:good idea!
gift me the cubes and I'll do the math
I too would like to be part of this experiment if someone will supply the cubes
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Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Lozmaster - 2014-03-09
KhainiWest Wrote:When you have the majority complaining and the minority trying to justify with "stories" then it's clear what the proportions are.
A vocal minority are always going to seem like a much bigger deal than they really are. The "minority trying to justify with "stories"" are a small number of people, because why would they b ranting on forums about it? they got what they wanted/expected out of it.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - KhainiWest - 2014-03-09
Lozmaster Wrote:A vocal minority are always going to seem like a much bigger deal than they really are. The "minority trying to justify with "stories"" are a small number of people, because why would they b ranting on forums about it? they got what they wanted/expected out of it.
In most cases this is true, but in a game like maplestory, when something goes wrong, people don't tend to agree with whiners, they normally try to correct them.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Lozmaster - 2014-03-09
KhainiWest Wrote:In most cases this is true, but in a game like maplestory, when something goes wrong, people don't tend to agree with whiners, they normally try to correct them.
Well, I looked back at the last few miracle time threads and they're mostly complaining about rates too (if they even had more than 10 posts).
Also, found this and it needs reposting.
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Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Marksman Bryan - 2014-03-09
People will complain about anything if they don't get exactly what they want handed to them on a silver platter.
I would complain about rates for previous miracle times -- 1-2 rank ups in 50~75 cubes. The difference is that this time, for most people, it's 0 rank ups for 100+ cubes that we were told were "better"
Although it was quite obvious with results pre-miracle time that the new cubes were not better for ranking up.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Chilly - 2014-03-09
I'm just curious, can someone point me to where it was stated that the Red and Black Cubes were better for ranking up? I don't remember reading that, not that it doesn't exist, maybe just something I missed.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - huehuehue - 2014-03-09
Lozmaster Wrote:A vocal minority are always going to seem like a much bigger deal than they really are. The "minority trying to justify with "stories"" are a small number of people, because why would they b ranting on forums about it? they got what they wanted/expected out of it.
From what I've seen, the majority did have pretty bad luck during this event compared to previous events. That's probably due to Red and Black cubes having an inherently low rank up rate instead of any "rigging" done by Nexon. Most people just haven't used enough of the new cubes to compare the normal rank up rate with the Miracle time rate and had very high hopes for Miracle time based on past experience.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Stereo - 2014-03-09
All I feel like needs to be added is: yes, Super Cubes ranked up a lot more often than Black Cubes do.
no, I'm not going to buy any black cubes for the purpose of ranking up, even during miracle time.
It's up to nexon what to do with the information I guess.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Eos - 2014-03-10
What I find interesting about this whole cubing thing is the Mabinogi version of cubing, Reforging, has a very high chance of ranking up when using the "premium" reforges alone. I went from lowest tier to best tier in 5 tries yesterday on my bow. It also re-leveled about 3 additional times using the "normal" reforges while trying to get a decent attribute set out of it. I wonder if they're more giving in Mabi since our equipment decays endlessly. It still seems odd, how very different the results are.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Aubog007 - 2014-03-10
Eos Wrote:What I find interesting about this whole cubing thing is the Mabinogi version of cubing, Reforging, has a very high chance of ranking up when using the "premium" reforges alone. I went from lowest tier to best tier in 5 tries yesterday on my bow. It also re-leveled about 3 additional times using the "normal" reforges while trying to get a decent attribute set out of it. I wonder if they're more giving in Mabi since our equipment decays endlessly. It still seems odd, how very different the results are.
However, it took me 120 on one piece and 150 on another piece from the lowest to the highest tier.
Although on the converse of that, Some have taken me under 20.
What does this tell you? RNG sucks.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Eos - 2014-03-10
Aubog007 Wrote:However, it took me 120 on one piece and 150 on another piece from the lowest to the highest tier.
Although on the converse of that, Some have taken me under 20.
What does this tell you? RNG sucks.
Were those using Fine or Credne, cause Credne's never taken me more than 10, rarely more than 5 :f6:
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Aubog007 - 2014-03-10
Eos Wrote:Were those using Fine or Credne, cause Credne's never taken me more than 10, rarely more than 5 :f6:
Fines, but I have used a lot of Credhnes. Especially from that wonderful event.
I just remember in KR test, they sell Credhnes and Fines, or rather they did in the NPC shops and players did tests on them.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - CrazyForDex - 2014-03-10
If you guys are so unhappy with the cubing rates and really want to see an improvement, I think I have an idea. It may seem absolutely ludicrous, but hear me out.
Stop buying so many cubes -> Nexon loses profit -> Nexon changes their strategy to make money.
I know, I know. I just blew minds. Unfortunately this will likely change nothing. If Nexon doesn't take it upon themselves to improve the rates, the overwhelming majority will continue to buy tons of cubes at the next sale or miracle time, just continuing the cycle of wallet rape.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Eos - 2014-03-10
Aubog007 Wrote:Fines, but I have used a lot of Credhnes. Especially from that wonderful event.
That sounds more believable, for fines my best rate is 1 in 10 to level up, and often more like 1 in 30.
CrazyForDex Wrote:Stop buying so many cubes -> Nexon loses profit -> Nexon changes their strategy to make money.
Boycotting as a strategy for change doesn't work unless the target company is both aware of the boycott even happening, and why it's happening. In absence of that all they're going to see is cubes aren't wanted in this market and move on to some other gimmick. They're not going to spontaneously fix the perceived problems or reduce the prices of something that they already consider game breaking enough to cap.
Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - CrazyForDex - 2014-03-10
Eos Wrote:Boycotting as a strategy for change doesn't work unless the target company is both aware of the boycott even happening, and why it's happening. In absence of that all they're going to see is cubes aren't wanted in this market and move on to some other gimmick. They're not going to spontaneously fix the perceived problems or reduce the prices of something that they already consider game breaking enough to cap.
I agree it would not work if there isn't awareness of what is pissing off the community. If the volunteers that frequent MS forums such as this and basil and get a feel that the community is mad about the low rates and then Nexon sees a drop in profits, specifically cubes, I think that could result in some change. Of course this is very optimistic thinking and not exactly realistic, but it's better than just sitting here and complaining before going out and giving them more money. Nexon just sees that as "oh we are doing something right because our profits are increasing" and then nothing changes.