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Re: College - Locked - 2010-10-01
I'd go to school just for the learning experience. Learning stuff has always been interesting, and those with higher knowledge tend to do better in some situations where others can't. Even though, I already graduated college.
Re: College - Jon - 2010-10-01
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy learning. I just don't enjoy the setting of schools all that much.
Re: College - Link - 2010-10-01
Jon Wrote:Don't get me wrong, I enjoy learning. I just don't enjoy the setting of schools all that much.
This is the exact same thing for me. I love studying and learning new stuff. In fact, I would do it all of my life if possible. However, the cost of schooling is beyond ridiculous and the whole school environment is just not for me.
Re: College - Locked - 2010-10-01
ShiKage Wrote:This is the exact same thing for me. I love studying and learning new stuff. In fact, I would do it all of my life if possible. However, the cost of schooling is beyond ridiculous and the whole school environment is just not for me.
Also seconding this post.
Having to pay for tuition, textbooks, courses, and the like can get very expensive and at its best turns some people away from achieving a college degree. Which is where the best kind of intellect comes in, the kind you learn yourself through experience and self-teachings. Not only does it possibly feel better, but you also feel more accomplished in learning or discovering something yourself.
Re: College - Swerve - 2010-10-01
Just to pitch in, there are an astounding number of resources on the internet that came up during the last decade. Take for instance the National Center for Biotechnology Institute (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/) website. I can fundamentally use this website to obtain nucleotide and protein information off of any organism. For a test-run I put in Ecoli and the first hit was an E.coli strain H4h plasmid sequence which can be obtained here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/229561407?report=fasta). The immense irony is that the probability of learning of such given resources would be incredibly low if I did not learn about it in college.
It seems that the opinion is of vastly singular voice. If anyone has similar sentiments, then please feel free to also pitch in, even if it's only a yes/no statement. I wanted to kind of double this up as a poll in regards to it also serving as a social topic. NOW I WILL STUDY and it will be GLORIOUS.
Re: College - Duelman - 2010-10-01
I tried that before, made over 30k for the first time since H.S. without a college degree. In my area that isn't terrible at all for someone of my age, but things happen, they always do.
So just from my perspective now that I have left that company, I find myself wishing that I would have gone to college first. As things would turn out my automotive field is what I would
be confined to working in, without having a college degree.
So now I am playing catch up and trying to find out what I'm going to go to college for/finances/etc, it would have been better if I would of done this before-hand and not after the fact.
Given the same set of circumstances, I would do things different and stayed on track to going to college after high school, even when offered a good job.
Re: College - Eos - 2010-10-01
No. I make nearly six figures, prior to my degree, off talent alone.
I got my degree after having had my job seven or eight years, just because.
Re: College - Adramelech - 2010-10-01
Am I the only person who's going to answer yes?...
I'm saving up for college myself ( got 2 more years till I can afford it + living + everything else )
I'm not thinkin about a career but rather what I'd like to learn because it interests me.
I'm going to be learning History + something else ( Looking to be a game designer )
and I really don't care about income figures.
as for whoever wrote they 're being "forced" to goto college, I ENVY you I gotta work my ass off just to go.
Re: College - Eos - 2010-10-01
Adramelech Wrote:Am I the only person who's going to answer yes?...
Since you're the only one laboring under the delusion that colleges are actually about educating people rather than paying for a wasted chunk of your life and a document that validates your self worth purely based on the amount you were willing to pay for it, yes.
Re: College - Rob - 2010-10-01
Eh, depends. At least in my country, having a degree makes something out of you, sadly. I'm currently studying to be a lawyer. Would I be satisfied with that, probably yes. Could I make something out of myself without a degree? Probably yes, but the working curve would be 4~5 times as steep you know.
Eosian Wrote:Since you're the only one laboring under the delusion that colleges are actually about educating people rather than paying for a wasted chunk of your life and a document that validates your self worth purely based on the amount you were willing to pay for it, yes.
I find that pretty offensive you know. Us third-world country people really suffer from bad education, low investment in universities and the lack of long term plans for education. Our colleges are public though. Most of us really look forward to studying abroad, to see what the first world looks like, even if we have to invest 100k on education and we have to go through some suffering being away and stuff.
Re: College - Eos - 2010-10-01
Rob Wrote:I find that pretty offensive you know. Us third-world country people really suffer from bad education, low investment in universities and the lack of long term plans for education. Our colleges are public though. Most of us really look forward to studying abroad, to see what the first world looks like, even if we have to invest 100k on education and we have to go through some suffering being away and stuff.
And those of you specializing in highly technical, specialized and developed fields may actually even be learning something.
The vast majority of college goers, not so much.
Also, your country has the highest HDI in south america, including Mexico itself, so hush with 3rd world bit please.
Re: College - Adramelech - 2010-10-01
Eosian Wrote:Since you're the only one laboring under the delusion that colleges are actually about educating people rather than paying for a wasted chunk of your life and a document that validates your self worth purely based on the amount you were willing to pay for it, yes.
Well, I'm a writer and I want my stories to be RPGs, I don't see how I could possibly get that job without studying game design. as for history, I love history and I want to know it down to a fine line going to learn that at a college means I'll have a better knowledge of certain things .
Rob Wrote:Eh, depends. At least in my country, having a degree makes something out of you, sadly. I'm currently studying to be a lawyer. Would I be satisfied with that, probably yes. Could I make something out of myself without a degree? Probably yes, but the working curve would be 4~5 times as steep you know.
I find that pretty offensive you know. Us third-world country people really suffer from bad education, low investment in universities and the lack of long term plans for education. Our colleges are public though. Most of us really look forward to studying abroad, to see what the first world looks like, even if we have to invest 100k on education and we have to go through some suffering being away and stuff.
Also, not to offend and really offtopic but, If you were refering to Israel as a third world country its not, its more like a De Facto state of america albeit highly religious and far more right wing.
and yeah, I could be in college right now the catch is, I'm from the u.s but for the last 8 years I've been living in Israel (thanks to my parrents) and my hebrew isn't the best or even all that good so studying here would be pointless, so I need to save up ALOT more money then normally to study back home in the states.
Re: College - Rob - 2010-10-02
Eosian Wrote:And those of you specializing in highly technical, specialized and developed fields may actually even be learning something.
The vast majority of college goers, not so much.
Also, your country has the highest HDI in south america, including Mexico itself, so hush with 3rd world bit please.
Eh, numbers lie. Trust me, Argentina is pretty far behind as far universities go. THE BEST university here is the UBA (University of Buenos Aires) and it didn't even make it to the top 150 worldwide. Sao Paulo and Mexico D.F. unis did. That's pretty much everything.
Adramelech Wrote:Also, not to offend and really offtopic but, If you were refering to Israel as a third world country its not, its more like a De Facto state of america albeit highly religious and far more right wing.
I was more in the track of Israel not belonging to the most popular academic circuits (Europe, USA, Canada, China, Japan and the like).
Re: College - FelixTM - 2010-10-02
Nope. I'm already living this.
I have my HS diploma, and I did two years of college before leaving. I quit when I realized the terrible effect it was having on nearly every aspect of my life (financial and mental, really) and how pointless it is for me. I always grew up thinking I'd get a degree because that's what seems normal. Bad decision. Biggest regret of my life. I was throwing away the very little money I had and worked hard to earn for what? Nothing. I was learning nothing new or important. I even took away very little from the classes I loved and enjoyed. Downward spiral of depression as I tore myself apart wondering what I wanted and why I was there.
Best decision ever was MAN'ing up and leaving, despite heavy resistance. I took hold of the life I wanted and now I'm happy once more. Sure, I do make less money with my job, but I make more than enough to live the life I desire. Getting a degree just to get one has absolutely no value to me. No "high-paying" job has any appeal. I'll continue to work my enjoyable job and do the things I love.
Re: College - MetaSeraphim - 2010-10-02
Eosian Wrote:No. I make nearly six figures, prior to my degree, off talent alone.
I got my degree after having had my job seven or eight years, just because.
Stop that.
Now I am going to feel like a copy cat thanks to my following answer.Yes I would, just for the hell of it. The degrees I currently hold don't even have anything to do with the business I own and run, I got them because I wanted to.
Also, that comes from someone who disagrees with school systems as a whole.
Re: College - shouri - 2010-10-02
Well that's pretty much what's happening with me. If I had a CS degree and stopped at an undergraduate's degree I'll be making roughly the same as my current plan: To go to graduate school and get my PhD so I can teach math.
But hey, I love teaching people math, so that alone makes it more worth it than any job I'd otherwise have. With that much math I also have the option of becoming an actuary and making nearly 3x as much after a few years, but it wouldn't be something i'd enjoy doing.
Re: College - xLeviathan - 2010-10-02
I'm not sure why we don't just put everyone into the post-bac. stage and just skip the whole undergraduate nonsense. Medical school trains doctors. Journalism school trains journalists. Acting schools train actors. Why do you even need the first 4 years? Tack on a semester or two to the graduate curriculum for what you REALLY need from undergraduate and you're good to go.
What do you REALLY need to get in medical school anyway? A year and a half of Biology, 2 years of Chemistry, a year of Physics, and maybe a semester of Math (minimums). You could easily fit that in a year. College is supposed to be challenging anyway.
Re: College - Russt - 2010-10-02
Not everyone is an aspiring surgeon at age 17. I want to buy time to discover myself.
I am going to be so depressed when I'm shoved into the workforce.
Re: College - 2147483647 - 2010-10-02
I'd gladly do it if I can change my major to music and just practice piano all day. I wouldn't mind spending my time and money on honing a skill as opposed to spending it acquiring facts that would be applied to make the same amount of money as an unskilled worker.
Re: College - Swerve - 2010-10-02
2147483647 Wrote:I'd gladly do it if I can change my major to music and just practice piano all day. I wouldn't mind spending my time and money on honing a skill as opposed to spending it acquiring facts that would be applied to make the same amount of money as an unskilled worker.
Research mixers. Attend them. Now. You. Attend them. Now. Look for professors and brush up on information relevant to their studies. Approach with a shotgun and aim for at least 6-7 every two weeks and see if you can get any to hit. Laboratory work may seem mundane but it will be the best exposure, especially for you as a freshman.
Leviathan. Those are the easiest course requirements to accomplish. The hard part is balancing five or six other courses, studying for an MCAT, doing research, pumping out your resume, and jumping through hoops like it's nobody's business and learning how to lie and apply to a system that is likely skewed against you.