Dusk Wrote:People often ignore the benefits of the Avoid stat in MS. I've often seen archers pass on Focus because they don't believe 20 avoid makes much of a difference. And they have a point. Avoid won't make a difference on their damage output, except maybe slightly when they need to pot. It mostly only serves to save pots.

But for Corsairs, taking less damage can indirectly mean dishing more out. This can make a noticeable difference when bossing. So since we know that your avoid is directly proportional to your % chance of avoiding an attack, the benefit of adding avoid is simple to calculate.

Say you're sitting at level 175 or so with 200 avoid. And for some reason you've been neglecting to do your quests >:|

How much does the 10 avoid on a quest medal, or 5% increase in total avoid (neglecting the 1.25 avoid that comes from the dex/luk) benefit you?

It depends on how long your ship lasts.

OldTime	NewTime	Old%Ship	New%Ship	Old%maxDPS	New%maxDPS	Increase
3	3.15	66.67%	67.74%	86.24%	86.68%	0.51%
5	5.25	76.92%	77.78%	90.47%	90.83%	0.39%
7	7.35	82.35%	83.05%	92.72%	93.00%	0.31%
10	10.5	86.96%	87.50%	94.62%	94.84%	0.24%
15	15.75	90.91%	91.30%	96.25%	96.41%	0.17%

The longer your ship lasts, the less of a difference avoid makes. So if you're already beyond 15 minutes at something like Zak, that 10 avoid isn't going to make much of a difference. But if you're at HT and unable to get more than 6-7 minutes of attacking on your ship before it breaks, that extra 0.3-something % can actually make a small difference.

If you have 160 weapon attack and using Apples, 1 weapon attack only makes a 0.38% increase on your total damage. So you could say that, at HT, 10 avoid (or at least 12 or 13) could be equal to 1 attack. 20 avoid doesn't look too bad now, does it?

Just throwing this out there and looking for comments. I think Avoid should be treated as a useful stat for Corsairs. The damage increase is a lot less than DEX or weapon attack could provide, but large amounts of avoid are easier to come by.

IllegallySane Wrote:Going from 200 avoid to 210 avoid. That's roughly a 1% increased chance to not get hit, assuming the monster has 200 accuracy. At 300 accuracy, the avoid is only a ~0.7% increase in avoid.

Corsairs only have 200 avoid at 175? :f6:

XBish Wrote:boat last longer than mass on sundays

IllegallySane Wrote:Going from 200 avoid to 210 avoid. That's roughly a 1% increased chance to not get hit, assuming the monster has 200 accuracy. At 300 accuracy, the avoid is only a ~0.7% increase in avoid.

Corsairs only have 200 avoid at 175? :f6:

Takebacker Wrote:I don't remember there being a formula for % chance that a mob will hit you.



Friggin LOL'd.

Kortestanov Wrote:Just found it ^_^
This formula calculates the chance a monster has to miss you. Luckily its not as complex as the def one, so ill just explain it here:
1.If your avoidability is above 999, make it 999. Same goes for the monster's accuracy.
2.If your level is equal or lower than the monsters level, decrease the following from your avoidability:
SAR(mob level-your level,1)

 SAR

For who don't know whats SAR, its a binary operation removing x bits from the right. so for example if your level is 10, SAR(5,1) will be taking 5 in binary (101) and removing one bit from the right. the result will be 10, which is 2 in decimal.

3.The miss chance, in precents, is (avoid / (acc * 4.5)) * 100, where avoid is your avoidability and acc is the mob's accuracy.
4. Limit the result above according to the following:
a.If you are a thief, the limit range is 5%-95%
b.If you are not a thief, the limit range is 2%-80%

For example, a level 10 beginner with 400 avoidability against a green mushroom with 45 accuracy:
1.decrease avoidability by SAR(5,1), which is 2. your avoidability is 398 now.
2. (398 / (45 * 4.5)) * 100 = 196.54. since this number is over 80, your chance to be missed is 80%.

EDIT: I figured out what "arg5" is, it was the mob's level. fixed the formula above.

Dusk Wrote:(210-200)/200 = 5% increased chance of avoiding. If a monster has 250 accuracy like Zakum, you go from avoiding his attacks 17.78% of the time to 18.67% of the time.

We only gain 1/8 of a point of avoid per dex. I have 190 avoid at level 156 and I have quite a bit of avoid boosting gear (quest medal, belt).

Dusk Wrote:*facepalm*

23.33% is 5% more than 22.22%.

Goals Wrote:Hmm I never thought of corsairs that way. *brb getting quest specialist medal* 4 STATs and a weapon attack you say? Do want even though I utterly phail at questing.

GummyBear Wrote:Yeah, that's why NLs are potential beasts with them high avoids.

Dusk Wrote:*facepalm*

23.33% is 5% more than 22.22%.

TobiasBlack Wrote:...
22+5=27...
22+5=/=23...

unless, this is a world where fairy godparents exist, where they can make 1+1=FISH!

IllegallySane Wrote:I'm stating 10 more avoid doesn't give 5% more miss rate (ie 27.2%). It gives ~1.11% chance increased miss rate.

23.33% is 5% more valuable than 22.22% in the long run, but the face value isn't 5% higher (22.22% vs 23.33%).